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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Yo, rinse! What did you find when you investigated the veracity of your comments? Asking for a friend.....

If your friend is online, he (she, they, ...) can use Google or another online search engine in the same way as I described in my previous remark (#71) on this thread.

If your friend is not online, he (or whatever pronoun is called for) would be well served to equip themselves to go online.

Once online (if your friend is not already online) he (she, they; whatever) can make their own determination about who could or should have done what, and when, with respect to the National Guard, and how that fits into the overall picture of events and how to interpret it.

I believe that President Trump was made aware of the violence at the Capitol Building on January 6 as soon as there was violence at the Capitol Building on January 6, which (if memory serves me) was shortly after 1:00 pm in the District of Columbia on January 6.

I believe that President Trump had the opportunity, at that very moment, shortly after 1:00 pm, to expedite a National Guard deployment to help the Capitol Police and DC Metropolitan Police in their efforts to get the situation at the Capitol Building under control. I believe he did no such thing, either promptly, or even belatedly, on January 6.

I believe that it was Mike Pence that finally stepped into the vacuum (so to speak) and used his authority and influence as the nation's Vice President to clear the last of the procedural requirements that were necessary to lawfully authorize the National Guard to deploy and "SERVPRO" the situation and make "Like it never even happened" happen at the Capitol Building on January 6. But President Trump, had he wanted to, could have expedited the National Guard deployment and made "Like it never even happened" happen well before Vice President Pence was both finally able to do it and of a mind to do it, using his own (Mike Pence's Vice Presidential) voice call capabilities, during the afternoon of January 6.

So I believe, based on all that I have read, seen or heard about it, up to this moment. And now a reminder from Bay Area Alarms... "What do you have to lose?"


"January 6... wow. Talk about a Swing and a Miss. It was like Spring Training suddenly broke out in the middle of the Regular Season. What were your thoughts, Mike?"

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad:You're free to believe whatever non-factual information your masters feed you. Perhaps you should also brush up on the actual chain of command for deploying the National Guard under various circumstances. Meanwhile, you do provide some ( but not much, anymore ) entertainment value to the rest of us.

Perhaps? Perhaps this...

Chris Miller was the Acting Secretary of Defense on January 6 and during the weeks leading up to January 6. In sworn testimony to the committee, Miller called "bull pucky" on claims that in the last day or days before January 6, President Trump issued orders or directives to have a large National Guard force on standby and ready to deploy very quickly to the White House or Capitol Building in the event of large scale violence on January 6.

quote Former President Donald Trump’s last acting secretary of defense has denied Trump’s claims that he requested thousands of National Guard troops be deployed to the Capitol ahead of the riot on Jan. 6, 2021. “There was no direct, there was no order from the president,” Christopher Miller said in video from his deposition released Tuesday by the House select committee investigating last year’s violence. Miller also denied a suggestion by former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows in February 2021 that 10,000 National Guard troops were at the ready before Jan. 6. “I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature,” Miller said. “So I was surprised by seeing that publicly but I don’t know the context or even where it was.” The former acting Pentagon chief added that there were plans in place for activating more troops, but “that was not anything more than contingency planning.”

"Trump did not order troops before Capitol riot, Christoper Miller says"
Mark Moore for the New York Post; July 27, 2022.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/...t-christoper-miller/

Published just 3 days ago... before these televised committee hearings, the Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post had been one of the more "Trump friendly" news media venues. Also from that same report:

quote Trump has repeatedly claimed that he requested thousands of National Guard forces to secure the Capitol, but was turned down by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). There is no evidence for such a claim apart from Trump’s word, and Pelosi’s office has stated that she had no authority to decline any offer of military assistance.

That's germane to what Trump is known to have said and done before January 6. But what about on January 6, as the rioters began to lay siege to the Capitol Building?

quote Numerous reports and statements from defense officials show Trump was not involved in the deployment of the D.C. National Guard to quell the riot at the Capitol. Acting Defense Secretary Miller used vague instructions that Trump [had] given days before the riot to "take any necessary steps to support civilian law enforcement requests in securing the Capitol and federal buildings." Reports show Trump initially was hesitant to get the D.C. National Guard involved, forcing officials to look to [Vice President Mike] Pence for White House support. The deployment of the National Guard was not "immediate." It took multiple requests for troops from D.C. and out-of-state law enforcement to gain authorization from federal defense officials to assist at the Capitol.

"Fact Check: Did Trump Call in the National Guard After Rioters Stormed the Capitol?"
Lauren Giella for Newsweek; January 8, 2021.
https://www.newsweek.com/fa...rmed-capitol-1560186

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