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rinselberg
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MAY 26, 10:08 AM
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By the way, I know the M14, which I referenced in the immediately preceding message, had maintenance and reliability problems.
Some verse was published, along these lines:
| quote | The M14 is a marvelous gun,
In a god-awful war, it provides some keen fun.
Single shot, semi or full automatic,
The lethality's nifty, but the action, sporadic. |
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When I saw that (quite some time ago) I read "action" as a reference to the M14's firing mechanism. It was "sporadic" because of the maintenance and reliability problems. They had a reputation for jamming.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-26-2022).]
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rinselberg
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MAY 26, 10:21 AM
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P.S., about the remarks from Rams...
"Don't bring a knife (or a sledge hammer) to a gunfight."
(Just some common wisdom.)[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-26-2022).]
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2.5
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MAY 26, 10:30 AM
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MAY 26, 10:36 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I doubt God has much to do with it... but dig up a quote from this thread (or any thread on PFF) where I wish to deny you your right to self defense.
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Unintended consequences are only slightly less troublesome than intended ones. Well, maybe they are just as troublesome, in the end.
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blackrams
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MAY 26, 10:52 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
As a longtime "Rams reader", I know that he served in this nation's armed forces.
Would his commanding officers have been OK with it if Rams had deliberately opted to arm himself with just a knife, sledge hammer, machete, or some other tool--all his own words here--instead of the Vietnam-era M14 rifle that U.S. Army and Marine Corps infantrymen were commonly equipped with during combat operations?
I know he was a helicopter pilot, but he can put himself in the place of the "grunts" that he was transporting, or otherwise supporting with his helicopter. Had Rams been an infantryman, instead of a helicopter pilot.
By juxtaposing these comments from Rams with the account of this Texas elementary school atrocity, I hope to invite "rinselberg readers" to contemplate the sagacity of Ram's remarks.
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Just so we're on the same page, I was also a "Grunt" in the Marines, carried an M14 and then an M16 inaddition to a riot shotgun and M1911. As to the weapon of choice, that would depend on the tactics and the mission. But, let's suggest there wasn't an AR15 available. How about a pump shotgun? It doesn't/didn't have to be procured legally, hunting weapons are available all over and sold by individuals. In other words, the weapons/tool really isn't the issue. Those intent on doing evil things can and will find a way. The weapons chosen for this "assault" are not weapons of mass destruction but can inflict great damage on a soft target. Cowards always choose soft targets.
Although sad to say, this is a cultural problem, not a gun problem. Guns were not a problem when I was growing up. In high school, most of the boys had rifles and shot guns hanging in the back window of their unlocked vehicles. These issues or challenges/problem are not being addressed by those in charge within our own society, from political leaders, judges and prosecutors to uninvolved parents.
Rams
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blackrams
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MAY 26, 11:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
By the way, I know the M14, which I referenced in the immediately preceding message, had maintenance and reliability problems.
Some verse was published, along these lines:
When I saw that (quite some time ago) I read "action" as a reference to the M14's firing mechanism. It was "sporadic" because of the maintenance and reliability problems. They had a reputation for jamming.
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Rinselberg,
It's very obvious you have no real world experience and depend on what you read. Having an obvious lack of first hand experience, I'd strongly suggest you don't know squat about the subject.
Reference the "sledge hammer" comment, again you have no idea of how much damage, death and destruction can be caused if, the holder is intent on doing that. But, the "sledge" was just an example. As I've said previously, only a coward attacks a soft target.
Rams
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 26, 12:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Although sad to say, this is a cultural problem, not a gun problem. Guns were not a problem when I was growing up. In high school, most of the boys had rifles and shot guns hanging in the back window of their unlocked vehicles. These issues or challenges/problem are not being addressed by those in charge within our own society, from political leaders, judges and prosecutors to uninvolved parents.
Rams
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I agree with this. I went to high school in Northern Virginia... which is basically a suburb of D.C. There was a subway metro stop literally 5 miles from my high school. So it wasn't "Southern Virginia." We also had a few kids with pickups that had gun racks and shotguns and hunting rifles in the back window. This was in the mid 1990s. I graduated in 1996. The Clintons would visit our high school quite frequently (our class president has a picture with Bill Clinton in our school). Not that this makes me any more cool or whatever, but it was to emphasize that it was basically a pretty liberal area.
We have a cultural problem, not a gun problem.
This site shows that stabbing deaths are far greater in countries that have outlawed guns: https://worldpopulationrevi...ng-deaths-by-country
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williegoat
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MAY 26, 01:32 PM
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These rampage killers are predominately “angry young males”.
What creates angry young males?
Two major factors are:
1) The lack of respectable adult male role models
Without a father figure, these kids look to their peers for guidance. This leads to violent youth gangs, and lost children respect the gang leaders. Read “Lord of the Flies”.
2) No coping skills
When kids never face defeat (everybody gets a trophy), we end up with “sore losers”.
Both of these problems are a direct result of ill informed, leftist policy. See LBJ’s “Great Society”.
From child psychology to gun control, the more Leftists try to fix things, the worse they get.
Here is some advice: Every time a leftist says we need fewer guns, it is the signal to buy more guns.
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Jake_Dragon
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MAY 26, 02:33 PM
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Look I know we can all agree that we want this to stop.
Everyone has a view on how this can be done.
These are my thoughts.
For those that want me to lay down my gun and let the Government protect me and my family. I think we can all agree there is enough evidence in history that governments are not going to protect you.
The fathers of our republic that drafted and added the 2nd amendment to the constitution did so because they understood that the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government was a fundamental right and not a privilege to be granted or denied. That the right shall not be infringed.
We live in a society that has laws and those that break those laws can have a restriction on what they can and can not do. Buying weapons is one of those things we all agree on that law breakers should be restricted. This is what we all vote for when we vote to put someone in office.
We also live in a society that has laws that restrict how we can purchase weapons. There are plenty of laws already on the books, in my opinion these laws that regulate people should be enforced. Not the banning of a tool that everyone has the right to own. See the 2nd amendment if you need a refresher on that point.
So how do we enforce these laws. Well to start we need to figure out how the weapons get into peoples hands that lawfully are not able to purchase or own them. Police the people not the tool/weapon.
If there needs to be a change in the laws then put it to a vote.
So do not ask me to give up something that I have the right to have, that in some instance will be required to protect the well being of myself and those that I love. Especially when you have not corrected the problem of people that should not have a gun in the first place. You can not restrict someone that has a right and then not police those that do not. That is why our representatives were voted into office and our current laws have been put in place.
Are the laws perfect? Hell no but there is a process to correct them. Fix the laws that allow people to get there hands on weapons that they shouldn't. Police those laws and hold them responsible.
But we do not need to put in more laws that effect law abiding citizens and make them criminals when there is a ramped amount of criminals that ignore the laws in the first place.
Hold people accountable. Hold organizations accountable. Hold the police accountable. Hold the government accountable.
Shall not be infringed. Its pretty cut and dry, its one of our foundations.
Too often after the fact we find out that there was a history and that the warning signs were ignored. Stop passing the buck and hold them responsible.
End of the day protect those in your charge, you are responsible for those that died as well as the one that committed this horrible act.
If you read all of that, thank you. If you didn't and just skipped to the end well **** you that's why.
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blackrams
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MAY 26, 03:25 PM
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Jake,
I agree with just about everything stated but, who isn't allowed to legally possess a firearm? Felons are not normally allowed, maybe others in different states. Our Constitution states no infringement and although I do realize there are folks out there that can't handle the responsibility of possessing a firearm, what is the justification to not allow them to the same rights we all have?
I've seen no reason this 18-year-old shouldn't have been allowed to buy/own a firearm, right up to the point he shot his grandmother. At least nothing has been reported. There may be a history that we're not aware of yet. Please don't take this (in anyway) of supporting this evil person but, I can't see punishing every other 18-year-old for the acts of a few evil doers by taking their right to possess a firearm away. Not that you have suggested that.
From what has been reported, the school had a policy of locked doors while in operation. Obviously, the doors were not secured. According to the TX DPS, there was no security officer present at the school when this occurred. Lots of bad information being spread. I'm sure there will be legal consequences to the school district for not following their own policy but, this all comes down to one very troubled teen who obviously lacked responsible adult supervision at several points in his life. I am interested to learn more about this teenager and hope we all learn something from that knowledge.
Rams
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