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theBDub
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JAN 12, 12:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Point blank... being libertarian stands for a limited, decentralized government... period.
Everything that you've vaguely professed, is for increased government intervention.
You are not a libertarian. |
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Everything I posted is about protecting individual liberty and limiting government power, intervention, and involvement.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 12, 01:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Everything I posted is about protecting individual liberty and limiting government power, intervention, and involvement. |
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I'm sorry... I respect your right to believe what you think, but what you've said / stated, and what you've presented simply does not convince me.
Honestly, that's OK, I don't expect you to care really what a few people on Pennocks say... but understand that when you respond to comments, I take them in the view I perceive you... which is a progressive.
A TRUE libertarian, is MORE radical than a Republican is. On the political... life-cycle if you will... modern political models (not including nonsense like Monarchy, etc.) exists in order from complete totalitarian control (Communism), to absolute independence and sovereignty of the individual with a complete lack of Government (Libertarian).
A very commonly used chart is one made by David Nolan (a Libertarian)...
Based on what you've stated, this is where you realistically are... just being totally honest.
 [This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 01-12-2022).]
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ray b
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JAN 12, 01:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Point blank... being libertarian stands for a limited, decentralized government... period.
Everything that you've vaguely professed, is for increased government intervention.
You are not a libertarian. |
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the no true scotsman [strawman] argument [would say do think that way ]
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theBDub
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JAN 12, 01:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm sorry... I respect your right to believe what you think, but what you've said / stated, and what you've presented simply does not convince me.
Honestly, that's OK, I don't expect you to care really what a few people on Pennocks say... but understand that when you respond to comments, I take them in the view I perceive you... which is a progressive.
A TRUE libertarian, is MORE radical than a Republican is. On the political... life-cycle if you will... modern political models (not including nonsense like Monarchy, etc.) exists in order from complete totalitarian control (Communism), to absolute independence and sovereignty of the individual with a complete lack of Government (Libertarian).
A very commonly used chart is one made by David Nolan (a Libertarian)...
Based on what you've stated, this is where you realistically are... just being totally honest.
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I’m familiar with the chart, and similar  Anarchism is the peak of libertarianism, that’s absolutely true. Most libertarians aren’t, mostly purely because it isn’t actually functional. So a practical lens on libertarianism pushes most modern libertarians down from the tip top of that triangle. I am not at the top, I’m also not on the border though. I believe in the abolition of government in most cases that would come up. The primary purpose of the government is to protect our inalienable rights, and nothing more. This is aligned with the practical libertarian perspective, one that you’ll see very often in any libertarian gathering place or published media.
I believe that you believe I’m a Democrat, it just doesn’t align with my actual positions and how they align with the Libertarian Party’s positions. It’s fine that you aren’t familiar with the platform. One thing I noticed is that you noted the decentralized part, which is true, but I don’t want anyone to think that means we are necessarily State rights > federal. Libertarians don’t recognize the government’s power, be it state or federal, to limit the rights of the individual.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 12, 01:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
the no true scotsman [strawman] argument [would say do think that way ]
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Ray, quick subject change. I live in Tampa now, but was visiting Coconut Grove over new year's weekend. On of my friends there (hard core Dem) lives in the grove, and I hadn't been there in several years. More than half the homes had been totally torn down and turned into ultra-modern mansions, on the exact same lots. Granted, they were nice looking homes... but all those original homes... you know, the ones where the builder had special attic vents to designate who built it (e.g. the tall ship, or the palm trees, or the flamingo, etc.)... most of those homes were gone. My friend still has an original 1930s home with an art-deco fireplace, etc... but most of the homes that I remember seeing had all been torn down. I'm seeing this all over the place, including where I have a home in Cooper City. My neighborhood is still newer... late 1980s. But the neighborhood next door has homes all built in the 70s, and people are tearing them all down and building huge mansions. It's unbelievable.
I was cruising down University Drive in Davie, and it's totally changed. No more car show in Tower Shops, and there's a gigantic hospital where the Pizza Loft used to be.
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ray b
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JAN 12, 03:47 PM
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land values went nuts in the grove
gables was about the same house worth maybe 25 k lot worth 200k+ in 2000 for a 2-1
but gables won't let them lot split or bulldoze the older stuff like the cubans did in miami/grove
we moved south to the cutler ridge area now a ''new'' city of older homes mostly 50's 3-2's
got twice the house for 1/2 the money and less taxes also
just drove out to chrome ave in what was the farms now being built up past 177 and 216 st
bulldozers were active and prices are over the 2007/8 peak by 100k here now near 400k for a 3-2
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williegoat
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JAN 12, 04:03 PM
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I had taken the "Nolan chart" test before, but I was curious, so I Googled it and took the first two tests that came up.
Each site had different questions and each seemed to have a different bias, but here are my results:
 [This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 01-12-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 12, 04:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
land values went nuts in the grove
gables was about the same house worth maybe 25 k lot worth 200k+ in 2000 for a 2-1
but gables won't let them lot split or bulldoze the older stuff like the cubans did in miami/grove
we moved south to the cutler ridge area now a ''new'' city of older homes mostly 50's 3-2's
got twice the house for 1/2 the money and less taxes also
just drove out to chrome ave in what was the farms now being built up past 177 and 216 st
bulldozers were active and prices are over the 2007/8 peak by 100k here now near 400k for a 3-2 |
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Dude, it's crazy. I love Cutler Ridge too... you're right by Monkey Jungle and Zoo Miami... love that area. There's so much of it that still "feels" old world Florida. I haven't been down that way in almost 5 years, and quite honestly... I'm worried. Like you're saying, they're probably tearing it up. It's not wetland or Everglades, so it's not really protected... just old sugarcane farm land. Part of what I love about Homestead (which you're right by) is that it kind of felt like Florida stuck in time... as say, Fort Lauderdale probably was in the 1980s... much slower, relaxed... not a whole lot going on.
I didn't stop by my old house, but just drove by it because I didn't want to get stuck in a long conversation with my tenant, but the place really felt alive. But it was also so much faster paced.
When I moved to Florida in 1996, I went out with a girl who's parents lived in the neighborhood that I incidentally ended up buy a home in. At the time, the neighborhood was the only thing there, everything else was farmland except for some old 1970s style small non-denominational church. Now, everything is built up... strip malls, huge homes on postage-sized lots... it's incredible to me, I just can't believe it. That was 26 years ago... and I know that's been a long time, but it really feels like a lifetime ago now.
It's exciting, but a lot is lost... I really still like places like the MIA brewery in Homestead, and I love the fact that there's absolutely nothing around at all except for a couple of small businesses amidst what otherwise looks like a tropical jungle. I hate to see it all go away...
I bet the Fruit & Spice Park is awesome right now...
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 12, 04:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I had taken the "Nolan chart" test before, but I was curious, so I Googled it and took the first two tests that came up.
Each site had different questions and each seemed to have a different bias, but here are my results:
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I took that one too... (NOLANCHART.com or something)... and it paints me as a radical Libertarian... haha...
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williegoat
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JAN 12, 04:56 PM
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To be fair, I have taken online tests that say my IQ is 139 and others that say I am severely autistic, so there is some room for doubt.
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