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NewDustin
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NOV 07, 09:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Athletic cup Ron..
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For our puckball team.
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Patrick
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NOV 07, 09:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
75% of our 2023 Cup team is from Canada. That's the kind of world domination I can get behind 
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I wish the Vancouver Canucks had as many Canadian players as the Vegas Golden Knights do!
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NewDustin
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NOV 08, 12:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I wish the Vancouver Canucks had as many Canadian players as the Vegas Golden Knights do!
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 08, 07:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
I've been considering this since last night, when it was pretty clear what the result was going to be. My take so far is that Harris lost for two primary reasons:
1) Voters were apathetic to Harris due to not getting to know her through a typical primary season. She then decided to use the short amount of time she had to not rock the boat - she wanted to keep her Democratic coalition while gaining moderates and middling Republicans by not being specific on policy. I think apathy came with a lack of a clearly defined alternative to Trump. If she had either gone through a typical primary or had she been more specific in answering questions in her few very public media interviews, I think she could have avoided the bleeding of her base and likely won.
2) Democrats have been using "men" as a catch-all enemy for the past few election cycles (possibly decades though my memory is a bit fuzzy on how long it has been happening). They've pushed men away and blamed them for just about everything under the sun. As men were disenfranchised from the Democratic Party, they were re-enfranchised to the Right through alternative social channels and podcasts (Democrats even make fun of these, calling them "dude bro pods"). While Republicans energized new voters in new channels, Democrats used those same channels to... continue pushing men away. I think this is a huge contributor, though I don't really see many people talking about it. |
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What you're saying is what the left-leaning pundits are saying... that it was a "communications problem."
I disagree completely... she flat-out had a policy problem.
- The vast majority of the country does not agree with illegal immigration. Spin it however you want, Biden has been allowing illegals to flood the country, and is desperately trying to expedite it as well.
- The vast majority of the country does not agree with a "woke ideology" which constantly pushes fringe ideologies into main stream, and forces everyone to deal with it. Like men in women's sports, or the whole pronouns thing, or pushing DEI into every facet of our lives.
- There are two wars going on which we are funding.
- The vast majority of the country realizes that we're now paying 2 to 3x more for everything than they did 4 years ago.
And when you listen to the news, they never address any of these concerns, but focus entirely on "Trump." Most people know that when Trump was president, the economy was better, and there was less chaos in the world. Democrats, including yourself, will need to eventually accept that it's a policy problem. Your party's ideas are just bad... they don't make sense.
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blackrams
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NOV 08, 02:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
What you're saying is what the left-leaning pundits are saying... that it was a "communications problem."
I disagree completely... she flat-out had a policy problem.
- The vast majority of the country does not agree with illegal immigration. Spin it however you want, Biden has been allowing illegals to flood the country, and is desperately trying to expedite it as well.
- The vast majority of the country does not agree with a "woke ideology" which constantly pushes fringe ideologies into main stream, and forces everyone to deal with it. Like men in women's sports, or the whole pronouns thing, or pushing DEI into every facet of our lives.
- There are two wars going on which we are funding.
- The vast majority of the country realizes that we're now paying 2 to 3x more for everything than they did 4 years ago.
And when you listen to the news, they never address any of these concerns, but focus entirely on "Trump." Most people know that when Trump was president, the economy was better, and there was less chaos in the world. Democrats, including yourself, will need to eventually accept that it's a policy problem. Your party's ideas are just bad... they don't make sense. |
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While there were other issues, you pretty much nailed it. Her unwillingness to separate herself from President Biden (a very unpopular politician) was a major problem. She co-sponsored or did everything possible to further the Progressive/WOKE agenda regardless of her false promises and lies during the later part of her campaign. This was not a failure to communicate, it was a failure in policies by a very Progressive politician. Don't get me wrong, DJT has a very strong a loyal base but, the voters that did not support him when he ran against Biden realized their mistake, they didn't want Biden II.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 11-09-2024).]
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blackrams
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NOV 08, 02:51 PM
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Oops, double click. I hate it when that happens. 
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 11-08-2024).]
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Valkrie9
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NOV 09, 07:48 AM
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Couldn't cheat effectively this time, something to do with the fraud votes Biden_Joe stole, felonies, an organized conspiracy to falsify election ballots.
Plainly obvious today, needs to be pursued, prosecuted, starting with Jack Smith, lol.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 09, 10:45 AM
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Also why Harris lost...
https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/s.../1855095025190797453
Everyone at this table is a Democrat except Shermichael, and wanted Harris to win. The guy on the left of the table is representative of the most extreme left. He may feel like he's doing God's work (metaphorically speaking since he's an Atheist), but in reality, he's pushing a cancel-culture narrative that absolutely does not resonate with the American public.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 11-09-2024).]
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blackrams
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NOV 09, 11:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Also why Harris lost...
https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/s.../1855095025190797453
Everyone at this table is a Democrat except Shermichael, and wanted Harris to win. The guy on the left of the table is representative of the most extreme left. He may feel like he's doing God's work (metaphorically speaking since he's an Atheist), but in reality, he's pushing a cancel-culture narrative that absolutely does not resonate with the American public.
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While I may be alone in this opinion, this election was not decided on based on racism, gender, homophobia or anything other than that Harris was only offering more of the same (illegal immigration, inflation and social change American voters did not support), that we got from the Biden/Harris Administration the last four years. She claimed that she could not think of anything that she would have done differently and in fact had had a role in many of the decisions that administration made.
Why folks can't accept the fact that while DJT may not be everything they want in a President, we all know what his administration was able to accomplish with a counterculture of Dems controlling the other branches of our government and how things changed with the Biden/Harris Administration. The majority of the US voters had had enough of the WOKE agenda and spoke out with their votes. I am not a personal fan of DJT but, thought highly of the policies he put in place. Do I support everything he has stated during the campaign, hell no but, he offered more of what the US citizens wanted.
Edited: BTW, anyone heard from RayB lately?
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 11-09-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 09, 11:51 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
While I may be alone in this opinion, this election was not decided on based on racism, gender, homophobia or anything other than that Harris was only offering more of the same (illegal immigration, inflation and social change American voters did not support), that we got from the Biden/Harris Administration the last four years. She claimed that she could not think of anything that she would have done differently and in fact had had a role in many of the decisions that administration made.
Why folks can't accept the fact that while DJT may not be everything they want in a President, we all know what his administration was able to accomplish with a counterculture of Dems controlling the other branches of our government and how things changed with the Biden/Harris Administration. The majority of the US voters had had enough of the WOKE agenda and spoke out with their votes. I am not a personal fan of DJT but, thought highly of the policies he put in place. Do I support everything he has stated during the campaign, hell no but, he offered more of what the US citizens wanted.
Edited: BTW, anyone heard from RayB lately?
Rams
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You're not alone, I agree with you completely.
As for RayB, I'm hoping / assuming he's just upset and doesn't want to deal with **** on here. He only ever comes on Pennocks to talk in the politics forum, and occasionally the O/T. I am not sure if he still has a Fiero. So he may be taking some time away. Hopefully he's OK...
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