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olejoedad
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MAR 25, 05:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
You are wrong. There are zero missteps in my logic.
And the proof that they do not exist is your in ability to identify even one.
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Says you...
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randye
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MAR 25, 06:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
I never said I had a law degree, but I understand the argument. Here is the problem though. The Founding Fathers are not qualified to define "liberty" because they supported chattel slavery and did not allow women to vote.
If you want to claim that "liberty" comes from your god then you have to admit that the United States government was more powerful than your god when millions of people were legally owned as property.
The argument that all rights come from god is a tool of the libertarians who say the government should not do things like help the handicapped or provide a free public education.
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The above nonsense is how a Leftist admits that the state is his "god".
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Raydar
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MAR 25, 07:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
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you claim a 2 time loser in vote counts was cheated
rather he cheated once and was UNABLE TO REPEAT THE CHEAT
JUST AS HE WILL LOSE AGAIN IN 24 AND CLAIM THE SAME CHEAT BS |
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Not a mention of Trump in the entire thread until "Rump Rant" chimes in.
Trump has been living rent-free in your head for years, now. Get help.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 25, 07:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
The above nonsense is how a Leftist admits that the state is his "god". |
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Yes, what this was, was basically his way of trying not to lose an argument he realizes that he's lost.
The discussion is about the Constitution, and where our rights come from. I clearly laid out that it comes from three equally valid places, so that no matter what you believe, it's still concrete. He sees this, tries to shimmy his way around the argument and focuses on God, which is one of the three components of where our rights come from, each of which is valid entirely on its own.
I've never seen someone have so much difficulty losing an argument. Like... I could care less if I lose an argument... it means I've learned something. But in this case, it's like the worst possible thing in the world... which is crazy.
Why do I even want to have a conversation with someone like this? There's no exchange of ideas... just insanity.
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BingB
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MAR 25, 08:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:which is essentially worthless when actual written law says otherwise.
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There is no written law anywhere in the United States that says that our rights come from God. But there is lots of written opinion for both sides.
Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but it is a FACT that if you claim god gives liberty then you are admitting that your god is weaker than the United States government. Because our government denied liberty to millions for many years. The rights to liberty granted by your god were completely worthless when matched against the government of the United States.[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 03-25-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 26, 06:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
There is no written law anywhere in the United States that says that our rights come from God. But there is lots of written opinion for both sides.
Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but it is a FACT that if you claim god gives liberty then you are admitting that your god is weaker than the United States government. Because our government denied liberty to millions for many years. The rights to liberty granted by your god were completely worthless when matched against the government of the United States. |
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Fred... everyone here can see what you're doing. It's OK to get something wrong once in a while.
Because I know you like to reshape the narrative, I will RESTATE what I said. The founding documents specifically state (with quotes), that our rights come from THREE places. GOD, NATURE, and MAN. This is INTENTIONAL so that... for people like you who do not believe in God, there are TWO OTER places that our rights can be derived from. It is PERFECTLY OK that you don't believe in God, no one here really cares. And for the purpose of the founding of this country's system of governance, it was already accounted for. You still have TWO other places that you can claim your rights are derived from.
I don't really want your opinion, and I wish you had told me you were arguing opinion from the beginning as I wouldn't have wasted my time.
We are not trying to convince you that your rights come from God. We are proving to you that your rights come from any one of three places... one of which includes God, IF you believe in Him. Are we clear? YES... we're clear. You're still going to respond with nonsense... but so you understand, every once of us here recognize what you're doing, and what the facts are as they are written. You would be the person who believes their rights come from man. And our founding documents have you covered... because that's one of the three.
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cliffw
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MAR 26, 08:28 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Then God is not the one who grants the right to liberty because there were millions of people living as chattel slaves in the United States until the laws of the government changed.
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Buzz kill.
The laws of the United States government also allowed slave ownership.
God changed that.
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cliffw
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MAR 26, 08:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Their right to freedom had nothing to do with any god. The government was the one who gave them their freedom.
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Who gave us our freedom before we had a government ?
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ray b
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MAR 26, 09:31 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Who gave us our freedom before we had a government ? |
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once in a tribe there was leader ship or a soon to be dead group of bickering idiots
freedom was an individuals ability to just walk away from a group
why does that need a fairytale just stand up gather your stuff and walk
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ray b
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MAR 26, 09:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Buzz kill.
The laws of the United States government also allowed slave ownership.
God changed that. |
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how ?
show the steps used by a god
or admit to B S ing
btw which god from what cult ?
why then why not 5000 years ago
why did he do it in euro ruled areas FIRST
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