Difference between "Judaism" and "Zionism". (Page 7/15)
Jake_Dragon OCT 11, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
rinselberg OCT 11, 09:33 AM
If I were going to publish "THE LEGACY OF 'fredtoast' ON PENNOCK'S," I would start with an outline, and the outline would start like this:
  1. He ranged from center left on some topics, to very liberal or progressive on others, in terms of his politics.
  2. He was persistent in arguing his points.
  3. He was articulate.
  4. He organized and presented his arguments in a skillful manner.
  5. He sometimes traded in name calling and personal insults, but mostly "in kind." He wasn't an instigator. He "kept it civilized."

His speed-banning represents the politicization of the Ratings System.

The people who are celebrating or gloating over the speed-banning of "fredtoast" are relieved that he's gone, because they don't want an open discussion forum. They want a safe space—or at least, a "safer" space.

Among these celebrants and gloaters, one stands out above all, but none of his posts are close at hand. He's whooping it up about "fredtoast" on some other thread. Of course, that might change.

All the rest, pertaining to "THE LEGACY OF 'fredtoast' ON PENNOCK'S,"... just "footnotes."

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ray b OCT 11, 09:55 AM
I had a jewish uncle
something not common for a WASP

HE WAS MY FAVORITE FAMILY MEMBER


I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN A PEOPLE AND A GOVERNMENT

ZIONIST is a government
82-T/A [At Work] OCT 11, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

If I were going to publish "THE LEGACY OF 'fredtoast' ON PENNOCK'S," I would start with an outline, and the outline would start like this:
  1. He ranged from center left on some topics, to very liberal or progressive on others, in terms of his politics.
  2. He was persistent in arguing his points.
  3. He was articulate.
  4. He organized and presented his arguments in a skillful manner.
  5. He sometimes traded in name calling and personal insults, but mostly "in kind." He wasn't an instigator. He "kept it civilized."

His speed-banning represents the politicization of the Ratings System.

The people who are celebrating or gloating over the speed-banning of "fredtoast" are relieved that he's gone, because they don't want an open discussion forum. They want a safe space—or at least, a "safer" space.

Among these celebrants and gloaters, one stands out above all, but none of his posts are close at hand. He's whooping it up about "fredtoast" on some other thread. Of course, that might change.

All the rest, pertaining to "THE LEGACY OF 'fredtoast' ON PENNOCK'S,"... just "footnotes."





Strongly disagree on 2 through 4.

#2, he was absolutely obnoxious in every post he made, insistent on getting the last word in the most imbecilic manner. He viewed every discussion as a win/lose game.
#3, I can not disagree more. His grammar was atrocious. He almost always screwed up then/than, never used punctuation correctly, and routinely misused legal terms outside of their intended purpose like mens rae, etc.
#4, This is exactly the same as #3, but I'll digress... argue is correct... that's all he did. He didn't present discussions in any manner other than an attack. When he clearly "lost" an argument, he would immediately pivot to something else because... again, he viewed every discussion as a win/lose game. And many of his posts and comments were wildly bizarre.

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rinselberg OCT 11, 12:17 PM
My good sir,

We will have to "agree to disagree" on the matter of fredtoast and his legacy.

Your interest in the possibility that fredtoast has Asperger's Syndrome prompts me to ask if you would consider attempting an online diagnosis of forum member Wichita.

Most every day, he posts at least one image meme or cartoon in this Politics & Religion section. A few are thoughtful or clever. But mostly they are empty, shallow-minded, trivial, mindless, banal, unthinking... trash. He's already posted two on this very day. I remarked that the first one was clever. I called this second one "trash." I've duplicated it here:

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It was accompanied by a brief remark from Wichita... "Leftists are groomers."

Some leftists are groomers. Some groomers are leftists. Some groomers are not leftists. I think that reality is mostly lost on Wichita. He seems to be living in a fantasy world... at least, in so far as his remarks on this forum. I think he's more full of s**t than a porta-potty.

Given your track record with fredtoast and Asperger's, I've become curious if you might look into Wichita in a similar way? Is there a syndrome for him that comes to your mind? Is there some "bin" that he belongs in... something more specific than the "looney bin" or the "trash bin"..?

It's always seemed peculiar to me that his remarks and images go largely unnoticed or unremarked by so many other forum members. Only myself and Patrick have really manifested interest in his case.

"Yours truly"

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 11, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

My good sir,

We will have to "agree to disagree" on the matter of fredtoast and his legacy.

Your interest in the possibility that fredtoast has Asperger's Syndrome prompts me to ask if you would consider attempting an online diagnosis of forum member Wichita.

Most every day, he posts at least one image meme or cartoon in this Politics & Religion section. A few are thoughtful or clever. But mostly they are empty, shallow-minded, trivial, mindless, banal, unthinking... trash.

"Yours truly"




Haha... acknowledged.

As for Wichita, I see no mental illness in him or a-neural behavior, but I do find him to be strong-willed, a little antagonistic (driven by his frustrations), and opinionated. His opinions do not always align neatly in a typical mold, and what I mean by that is he does not necessarily follow a typical ideological mantra. You may view him as radical right, but I suspect that he's actually anything but. I find that he typically rejects political consensus and goes through his own processes for deciding whether he supports something or not. I would be willing to bet he has a lot of opinions that are antithetical to the typical "rightist." I tend to view him more as a libertarian, if we're concerned about political labels. I do find many of his memes funny though, because I do kind of agree with most of them. I've been known to steal them on occasion as well.

I think what you'll find... really on both sides, is that people get frustrated by the things they see in their country (and the world) that they disagree with or that they believe is hurting their country ... and then apply their frustrations to those who align with this ideology. So for example... you Rinse... become solely responsible for the failure at the border, the massive inflation we've suffered, and the increase in gas prices. You become the "face" or diplomat (if you will) of these ills and frustrations on Pennock's. As a result, you are also then expected to explain or even defend each of these failures as well. Perhaps even you automatically put yourself in that situation as well since you may view these opinions as an attack on your very identity and personality. Alternately, people like Fredtoast perhaps view everyone on the RIGHT here as the individuals who are CAUSING these failures ... in so far as those on the right are preventing his side from being able to properly implement the plans / goals that he thinks would allow all of this to work.

Really, you are no more responsible for the border wall than I am responsible for banning sexualized books in elementary schools... but this is what it is. I think the most mentally responsible thing anyone can do, is not allow themselves to be driven by whatever the political narrative is that's prescribed to you. I may not always agree with him, but I've found Wichita to disagree with me on many occasions. Trump is my boy... for better or worse, and Wichita is no fan.
Patrick OCT 11, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I don't doubt for a second that if there was a hurt Jewish person on the street that Ray would help him up, or if there was a police officer being overwhelmed, that MEM wouldn't step in to help. But I am quite sure that Fred would do neither...



Todd, you're so blinded by your bias that you wouldn't recognize your own dogma if it ran up and bit you.

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 12, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Todd, you're so blinded by your bias that you wouldn't recognize your own dogma if it ran up and bit you.





And what bias is that? I reference two individuals... with the same personality but opposing political ideologies. I'm actually a VERY good judge of character... not at all by my own admission. But like Ray, MEM is just a loud mouth that likes to say shocking things. I have no doubt he'd help a police officer that was down if he was in a position to help. Same as Ray with his demons.
rinselberg OCT 12, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
And what bias is that? I reference two individuals... with the same personality but opposing political ideologies. I'm actually a VERY good judge of character... not at all by my own admission. But like Ray, MEM is just a loud mouth that likes to say shocking things. I have no doubt he'd help a police officer that was down if he was in a position to help. Same as Ray with his demons.


I don't think that ray b and MidEngineManiac are that much alike, in terms of their personalities.

But where do you get off with your speculation that fredtoast wouldn't try to help a police officer that obviously needed help?

Extravagant, overreaching speculations are a weakness of yours. I think that even shows up in what you were just saying about the Biden administration, Democrats, the U.S. border, immigration and refugee policies, and Venezuela, although I will concede, I didn't read what you were saying there all that closely. But this idea that fredtoast wouldn't try to help a police officer... that's just "nutty" speculation on your part.
82-T/A [At Work] OCT 12, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:I don't think that ray b and MidEngineManiac are that much alike, in terms of their personalities.

But where do you get off with your speculation that fredtoast wouldn't try to help a police officer that obviously needed help?

Extravagant, overreaching speculations are a weakness of yours. I think that even shows up in what you were just saying about the Biden administration, Democrats, the U.S. border, immigration and refugee policies, and Venezuela, although I will concede, I didn't read what you were saying there all that closely. But this idea that fredtoast wouldn't try to help a police officer... that's just "nutty" speculation on your part.




You need to recognize your own bias in this. You are upset because you viewed Fredtoast as an "ally in the fight," and for you... this is a loss of points in a win/lose game for which you apply much of your personality. The loss of Fredtoast to you is almost viewed as an attack on your identity.

For me, losing MEM would be the same feeling as I would get if we lost RayB. I disagree with Ray on a lot of things... but they've both been here for a long time. MEM has been a member of Pennock's for 16 years. In effect... I've known MEM longer than I have my own daughter (who's 14). Now, I've never me the guy in person, but I don't view MEM's banning the same way you view Fredtoast's banning. If you're willing to allow yourself to be introspective here... I think you might see that.

Fred is a newbie... and from day-1, he came to the Politics forum and made that his primary mission. Unlike MEM or anyone else who spends as much time in General and T/OT as he does in Politics. Fred branched out to the other forums, almost socio-pathicaly for no other reason than to attempt to give himself "cred" on the forum for not just being the guy that spends his time entirely on the Politics forum (as you've kind of started to become over the past year).


It's OK to have opinions, we all do... and they don't have to align, that's what life is all about. But you ask me why I think Fred is different? You're viewing him through rose colored glasses because he supported your ideology. But I view him exactly as I did Sourmash. Both of them are intrinsically self-serving... perhaps almost narcissistic. To the point that even if diagnosed, they would explain away why they aren't. I don't believe for a minute that either Sourmash or Fredtoast would stop to help someone if it meant even for a second that they'd be put into danger themselves. That's not a nice take... but it's an opinion, and you're certainly welcome to yours.