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JUL 03, 08:30 AM
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"What they said"
President Lincoln... one of Trump's heroes. Oh wait, that was just on the Monday of that week.
| quote | | Consider that President Abraham Lincoln, facing a civil war, which he termed the great test of popular government, used constitutional republic and democracy synonymously, eloquently casting the American experiment as government of the people, by the people, and for the people. And whatever the complexities of American constitutional design, Lincoln insisted, “the rule of a minority, as a permanent arrangement, is wholly inadmissible.” Indeed, Lincoln offered a definition of popular government that can guide our understanding of a democracy—or a republic—today: “A majority, held in restraint by constitutional checks, and limitations, and always changing easily, with deliberate changes of popular opinions and sentiments, is the only true sovereign of a free people.” |
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Senator Tom Cotton... an amalgam of "Uncle Tom" and "King Cotton"
| quote | | Who counts as a full and equal citizen—as part of we the people—has shrunk in the Republican vision. Arguing against statehood for the District of Columbia, which has 200,000 more people than the state of Wyoming, Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas said Wyoming is entitled to representation because it is “a well-rounded working-class state.” It is also overwhelmingly white. In contrast, D.C. is 50 percent nonwhite. |
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George Thomas (for The Atlantic)
| quote | | High-minded claims that we are not a democracy surreptitiously fuse republic with minority rule rather than popular government. Enabling sustained minority rule at the national level is not a feature of our constitutional design, but a perversion of it. Routine minority rule is neither desirable nor sustainable, and makes it difficult to characterize the country as either a democracy or a republic. We should see this as a constitutional failure demanding constitutional reform. |
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JUL 03, 08:54 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The more you respond, the more I realize you don't actually know what you're talking about. |
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All I know is that you have made several post and still not acknowledged what the definition of "democracy" is.
You are just playing silly games until you post the definition.
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fredtoast
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JUL 03, 08:57 AM
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I am the one standing on the definition of the word "democracy".
The people deflecting are the ones playing "word hunt" instead of debating like adults.
How about you, Randye. Have you even considered looking up the definition of the word "democracy"? You might want to do that before continuing this discussion.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUL 03, 09:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
All I know is that you have made several post and still not acknowledged what the definition of "democracy" is.
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Britannica:
"democracy, literally, rule by the people. The term is derived from the Greek dēmokratia, which was coined from dēmos (“people”) and kratos (“rule”) in the middle of the 5th century bce to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens."
What?
| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
I am the one standing on the definition of the word "democracy".
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Please read this... you are absolutely killing me here, it's driving me nuts.
https://www.thesaurus.com/e...ide-quotation-marks/
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fredtoast
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JUL 03, 11:53 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Britannica:
"democracy, literally, rule by the people. The term is derived from the Greek dēmokratia, which was coined from dēmos (“people”) and kratos (“rule”) in the middle of the 5th century bce to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens."
What?
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Thank god you have finally agreed to cite a reference we can agree on instead of just playing word find. Here is what the Encyclopedia says about the term "democracy". . . When the members of the United States Constitutional Convention met in 1787, terminology was still unsettled. Not only were democracy and republic used more or less interchangeably in the colonies, but NO ESTABLISHED TERM EXISTED for a representative government “by the people.. . . It then goes on to explain why a representative government like the United States is a democracy
Here is the full link if anyone wants to read the truth instead of out-of-context internet ignorance.
https://www.britannica.com/...-in-the-20th-century[This message has been edited by fredtoast (edited 07-03-2023).]
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