Some facts about Select Committee to Investigate Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol (Page 7/10)
williegoat JUL 26, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

As far as my describing how Trump made my life worse—-he didn't.
olejoedad JUL 26, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

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The writers are already working on the storylines and scripts.



This speaks volumes....
ray b JUL 26, 03:08 PM
the rump is very active it disputing the fairness and accuracy of the the homelands election process

so far I have seen far less evidence of fraud or irregular process or cheating by anyone NOT allied with the rump
then the blatant lies frauds deception and pure BS from the rump his agents and followers

in that alone he has hurt our nation perhaps far more then those who support him understand

for that alone he should answer he has lessened faith in our elections

the man is a fraud not a hero
rinselberg JUL 26, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

So, you "feel good" about calling Trump a criminal because he has produced evidence of the criminal activity of others.

I have to say, that is absolutely absurd.


What would be absurd is anyone who would try to minimize or deny the dangerous malfeasance of Trump and Giuliani in this case. The recklessness of using social media (like Twitter) to publicize the allegations, going so far as to publicize the election workers' names (I think it was two, a woman and her mother) instead of pursuing the matter discretely with Georgia election officials and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. And then continuing to use social media to publicize the allegations, now tied to the names of the two election workers, even after the Georgia Bureau of Investigations reported that the allegations were unfounded.

That's not a one-off or outlier. One of the connecting themes or through lines of this series of televised committee hearings is the evidence that the violence at the Capitol Building on January 6 was stochastic terrorism orchestrated by the "former guy" himself. Or "stochastic insurrection."

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williegoat JUL 26, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

the man is a fraud not a hero


Donald Trump is neither hero nor fraud. He is an astute capitalist and an American patriot.

Edit: The word "hero" is used far too loosely in our society.

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williegoat JUL 26, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

What would be absurd is anyone who would try to minimize or deny the dangerous malfeasance of Trump and Giuliani in this case. The recklessness of using social media(like Twitter) to publicize the allegations, going so far as to publicize the election workers' names (I think it was two, a woman and her mother) instead of pursuing the matter discretely with Georgia election officials and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. And then continuing to use social media to publicize the allegations, now tied to the names of the two election workers, even after the Georgia Bureau of Investigations reported that the allegations were unfounded.

That's not a one-off or outlier. One of the connecting themes or through lines of this series of televised committee hearings is the evidence that the violence at the Capitol Building on January 6 was stochastic terrorism orchestrated by the "former guy" himself. Or "stochastic insurrection."



Are you talking about Adam Schiff, Christopher Steele, Peter Strzok, Lev Parnas or someone else?
rinselberg JUL 26, 07:58 PM
It's a discussion that has no end.

I think it's more likely that Trump will face criminal charges after 2023 is underway, and less likely (by comparison) that the Durham probe will pan out (so to speak).

Having seen a fair amount of Peter Strzok as a guest on MSNBC, I can say that he has "grown on me." I wouldn't hesitate to talk to him or even shake his hand if (in some absurd scenario) I were to cross paths with him. His indiscretions involving the use of his FBI device(s) for text messaging of a personal nature with Lisa Page were an embarrassment to the FBI and to the Mueller investigation, but I do not believe that he skewed the investigation or moved it in any false direction.

As far as Trump being an "astute capitalist", I'm very skeptical about that, considering what I believe he was given by his father. Some have said that if Trump had just taken what he was given by his father and bought into investment funds that would have been managed for him, his personal fortune would be much larger than what he has. The personification of "the easiest way to make a small fortune is to start with a large fortune."

But I'm open to the possibility that he may have done slightly better with his various projects and enterprises than if he had just passively invested his inheritance. (Without even getting into whether Trump and his father could have been prosecuted for tax code violations on the money or other assets that went from father to son.)

Aside from anything that he did during his presidency, Trump's legacy as an entrepreneur, real estate magnate and builder will be defined by bankruptcies, undistinguished architecture, golf resorts and kitsch. A perfect expression of the man's fundamental banality.

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olejoedad JUL 26, 08:31 PM


williegoat JUL 26, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I think it's more likely that Trump will face criminal charges after 2023 is underway, and less likely (by comparison) that the Durham probe will pan out (so to speak).


I am reminded of the adage of the fox guarding the hen house.


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Aside from anything that he did during his presidency, Trump's legacy as an entrepreneur, real estate magnate and builder will be defined by bankruptcies, undistinguished architecture, golf resorts and kitsch. A perfect expression of the man's fundamental banality.


A boring guy with such poor taste should never be allowed at the helm of the ship of state. How gauche.
If he wore a bow tie and attended a few Broadway musicals, would that redeem him?
Wichita JUL 26, 10:58 PM
1. Trump attempted a planned insurrection.
2. Okay, loosely planned.
3. Okay, not planned, but he encouraged it.
4. Okay, he didn't encourage it, but he didn't try to stop it.
5. Okay, he did try to stop the violence, but he should have done more, and sooner, during fog of war.