Blue-state meltdown (Page 6/11)
BingB FEB 11, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


Define crime rate.




Total number of crimes as a percentage of population.

A town of 10,000 with 5 murders would have a higher "murder rate" than than a city of 1,000,000 with 400 murders.
olejoedad FEB 11, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Total number of crimes as a percentage of population.

A town of 10,000 with 5 murders would have a higher "murder rate" than than a city of 1,000,000 with 400 murders.



You forgot to consider the 'time' component of average.

A town of 1000 with a single event of 5 killings would have a high murder rate in that year, but if the town had been in existence for 100 years, taken over time the town would have a low murder rate.

Take a length of time of 3 years, 5 years or 10 years and apply it to rural vs. urban murder statistics and get back with us.
cliffw FEB 11, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
You forgot to consider the 'time' component of average.



I don't believe you.

He purposely left it out.
williegoat FEB 11, 11:35 AM
Big city governments are predominantly Leftist. It has been so, for many years.

Big cities have a higher crime rate.

All of the above has been acknowledged by the left.

So, the question is: Why can't the Leftist government fix the problem?
rinselberg FEB 11, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Big city governments are predominantly Leftist. It has been so, for many years. Big cities have a higher crime rate. All of the above has been acknowledged by the left.

So, the question is: Why can't the Leftist government fix the problem?


Reply message #42, closer to the top of this page.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/001027-2.html#p42


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"Pre-Preemption:" GOP-controlled states are blocking liberal cities from passing legislation residents desperately need, despite widespread voter support. Harold Meyerson reports on how Republican state legislatures prevent the will of urban voters for our February print issue.


This is a teaser for an article in the American Prospect. I don't know whether I will access it. I think you have to at least register, or start a trial subscription. Even just the requirement to submit my email address is sometimes enough to deter me.

But I'm sure I could find similar material.
rinselberg FEB 11, 12:48 PM
FOR EXAMPLE, picking up from where my previous remark ended:

"St. Louis Is the Struggling Downtown You Haven’t Heard Of—and Right-Wing Policies Are Making Things Worse"
Kevin McDermott for the New York Times; June 27, 2023.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...eturn-to-office.html

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To combat crime [in St. Louis], the [Missouri state] legislature offered the helping hand of attempting a state takeover of the city’s police force. The narrative from the right was that the city’s soft-on-crime policies were to blame for the unmoored violence that is driving the city’s economic decline, so the police need to be under outside control.

Left out of that narrative is the fact that gun crime here is abetted by Missouri gun laws that are among the loosest in the nation. Virtually anyone can walk around the city with a gun, with no state-mandated background check and few state-level restrictions, and there’s next to nothing the police can do about it until the shooting starts. The state has rebuffed all entreaties from the city to be allowed to enforce some kind of permit requirement. . . .

Republican critics maintain it is the city’s de-emphasizing of policing that’s the real problem, and as such, the legislature in 2021 passed a state law that effectively penalizes cities that cut their police budgets. But even the largest St. Louis police force would still be policing a city flooded with unregulated guns and few tools to confront them, courtesy of the same Republican state leaders. A current effort to pass a statewide ballot referendum that would go around lawmakers to give St. Louis the authority to impose firearms permits and other reforms is the kind of Hail Mary the city is left with. Whatever impediments San Francisco faces in confronting its problems, at least it doesn’t have an adversary rather than a partner in its State Capitol.



"Editorial: St. Louis is different than outstate Missouri. It should have different gun laws."
Editorial board of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch; June 14, 2023.
https://www.stltoday.com/op...37-677b6f8a3d36.html

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williegoat FEB 11, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

This is a teaser for an article in the American Prospect. I don't know whether I will access it. I think you have to at least register, or start a trial subscription. Even just the requirement to submit my email address is sometimes enough to deter me.

But I'm sure I could find similar material.


So, what you are saying is that no matter who is in charge, high crime is because of Republicans.

What about California and New York? Illinois and Michigan?
BingB FEB 11, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Big city governments are predominantly Leftist. It has been so, for many years.

Big cities have a higher crime rate.

All of the above has been acknowledged by the left.

So, the question is: Why can't the Leftist government fix the problem?


No. That is not the question at all. Right wing governments in charge of big cities can't fix the problem either. So you can't blame either party.
BingB FEB 11, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Take a length of time of 3 years, 5 years or 10 years and apply it to rural vs. urban murder statistics and get back with us.




No difference. There is still high crime rates across Missouri other than just in KC and St Louis. Here is the example of Nevada Missouri over the last 20 years. Crime rate higher than national average.

https://www.macrotrends.net...rime-rate-statistics

Why are you incapable of doing this research yourself? It might keep you from looking so clueless if you did it yourself before making posts like the one above.

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williegoat FEB 11, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

No. That is not the question at all. Right wing governments in charge of big cities can't fix the problem either. So you can't blame either party.


Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani