The question now is whether America can claw her way out of the abyss.......... (Page 6/8)
fredtoast JUL 30, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

I've been civil, but I don't think you have been.
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You called my comments "comical". I asked to debate facts instead of just making attacks with no substance. You had "no time" to discuss any facts, but you have somehow found time to make five more posts about the subject.


Call it whatever you want, but I have nothing to apologize for. all I have done is request we discuss facts instead of personal attacks. No this thread has turned to nothing but garbage posts without any discussion of facts.

You have been the exact opposite of "civil" you have not contributed a single post with any facts or discussion. 100% of your posts have just been bickering at me. It is ridiculous. You don't want to debate facts. I don't know why you are even here.
olejoedad JUL 30, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


No, it is not 100% factual, and no, I won't waste my time discussing it with you.




100% is a high bar.

'Solely' is an absolute.

'Only' is also an absolute.

Pure comedy gold is appropriate for 'opinions' stated as 'facts'.

Exaggeration is a form of lying, as it is not the actual truth.

I choose to ignore your other comments regarding your perception of my 'whimpering', your assigning to me a derogatory nickname, and the insult to my intelligence by offering to define words of which I fully understand the definition.

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rinselberg JUL 31, 07:06 AM
I just had a second look at the op-ed column from the beginning of this thread.

"America’s Decline Follows a Familiar Arc: ‘Gradually, Then Suddenly’"
Elizabeth Stauffer for the Washington Examiner; July 27, 2023.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...6bab3c0e3fd1fd&ei=27


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Likewise, as Democrats ramp up their efforts to influence the 2024 election, they are indicting the party’s most formidable opponent [former President Trump] for minor infractions...



The newly filed superseding indictment in the Mar-a-Lago documents case accuses Donald Trump of conspiring with his longtime personal aide Walt Nauta to delete surveillance camera recordings that Trump knew were being subpoenaed by the Department of Justice.


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Likewise, as Democrats ramp up their efforts to influence the 2024 election, they are indicting the party’s most formidable opponent [former President Trump] for minor infractions...



Trump's comically clumsy attempt—as alleged in the newly filed indictment—to "clean up" the evidence against him, reminds one wag of the Tide laundry detergent ads featuring comedian/actor Kumail Nanjiani.


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Likewise, as Democrats ramp up their efforts to influence the 2024 election, they are indicting the party’s most formidable opponent [former President Trump] for minor infractions...



Many now expect that new criminal indictments of former President Trump relating to the 2020 Presidential election and his actions while President could be filed within "days."


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Likewise, as Democrats ramp up their efforts to influence the 2024 election, they are indicting the party’s most formidable opponent [former President Trump] for minor infractions...



The assertion that former President Trump has been indicted for just "minor infractions" is not incidental to the arguments of this op-ed column. It's a risible assertion, and effectively indicts the op-ed columnist, Elizabeth Stauffer, as someone who should not be taken seriously.

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82-T/A [At Work] JUL 31, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:
You called my comments "comical". I asked to debate facts instead of just making attacks with no substance. You had "no time" to discuss any facts, but you have somehow found time to make five more posts about the subject.


Call it whatever you want, but I have nothing to apologize for. all I have done is request we discuss facts instead of personal attacks. No this thread has turned to nothing but garbage posts without any discussion of facts.

You have been the exact opposite of "civil" you have not contributed a single post with any facts or discussion. 100% of your posts have just been bickering at me. It is ridiculous. You don't want to debate facts. I don't know why you are even here.




You are essentially what you are claiming everyone else is.

- You say that no one is being "civil" to you, yet you come on here and start taking an extreme stance on your views of what you think everyone else believes... attacking everyone.
- You say you only deal with facts; however, almost every one of your posts is actually opinion. You never include links, but expect everyone else to do so.
- You talk about "garbage" posts, but literally every single one of your posts turn out to be uselessly partisan, devoid of any real subjectivity or content.


I really do think you have Asperger's syndrome, it's the only conclusion I can come to. If this is true, we can work with this, but you need to work with us, because all you're really doing right now is just being an ******* .
rinselberg JUL 31, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I really do think [fredttoast has] Asperger's syndrome,


If "fredtoast" has Asperger's syndrome, based on what he has posted on this forum... that would make him just one on a longer list of currently active forum members.

Maybe he could provide more links to support some of his assertions. I think he has provided links for some of his assertions in some of the other threads.
82-T/A [At Work] JUL 31, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

If "fredtoast" has Asperger's syndrome, based on what he has posted on this forum... that would make him just one on a longer list of currently active forum members.

Maybe he could provide more links to support some of his assertions. I think he has provided links for some of his assertions in some of the other threads.




Which is exactly my point. I don't say that to be mean, absolutely not... but it's something we can work with because when you know you have it, you realize that sometimes people don't respond well to things you say, and then you learn to adapt / respond more appropriately (or at least not take it in a way that was unintended).

A good 1/4th of the people that hang out in O/T and this forum have it, and they span the political spectrum.
fredtoast JUL 31, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


- You say you only deal with facts; however, almost every one of your posts is actually opinion. You never include links, but expect everyone else to do so.
- You talk about "garbage" posts, but literally every single one of your posts turn out to be uselessly partisan, devoid of any real subjectivity or content.





I post links in almost all of my posts. If not I post exact data or facts that can easily be confirmed.

My posts are no more partisan than yours. Except mine contain objective facts and yours usually contain subjective opinions. Here is how I am going to prove my point.

Instead of making vague subjective allegations like "you have Aspergers" I am going to set OBJECTIVE allegations that will prove me correct. From this point forward we can both start keeping track of which one makes more posts that have nothing to do with the subject of the thread and are instead just personal attacks. We will also keep track of who posts links and facts and who posts subjective opinions.

I am no more partisan than most of the people here including you. I post more links and objective facts than most people here. And I NEVER randomly make a post attacking another member unless it is a direct response to something that member has said to me. You, on the other hand, have been stalking me and popping up with comments that have nothing to do with the thread and are not in reply to anything I have posted. It really makes you look desperate.

So can we both agree to end the subjective silliness that proves nothing? Stick to facts. Avoid purely personal attacks ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN RESPONCE TO A POST I HAVE MADE.

Your obsession with me and your stalking behavior are ruining these discussions.

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82-T/A [At Work] JUL 31, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:

You, on the other hand, have been stalking me...
Your obsession with me and your stalking behavior are ruining these discussions.





Let's be REALLY, REALLY clear here. I have absolutely no interest in you whatsoever. I only looked up your profession because YOU posted your name, and YOU posted what you did. Beyond this... I have no interest in you at all. I find the majority of your posts either totally odd, or actually quite annoying ... because I do not believe that your intent is to have a conversation, but instead to throw mud.

I accept the possibility that I'm wrong, and maybe you are actually trying to have a conversation, but don't know how to... and this is why I've been asking you if you have Asperger's syndrome... because if you do, then I need to adjust the way I talk to you because it's possible that maybe you do not understand inference or the dynamics of a conversation. You do not have social cues that you've learned over time to interpret, so you're blind here on the forums.

I'm just as happy totally ignoring all of your posts... but let's be clear... there is nothing even close to an obsession. When I get off Fiero.NL... you do not come up in my thoughts.

fredtoast JUL 31, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I accept the possibility that I'm wrong, and maybe you are actually trying to have a conversation, but don't know how to..




This is getting silly. I know perfectly well how to have conversations. I have them all the time. I am a gifted speaker able to influence juries with my eloquence.

Nothing I do here is any different from what you do except I post more links and facts. And I also don't just randomly pop into threads to "warn" people about you. I am not that obsessed with you. But other than that I am no more dismissive, aggressive, or partisan than you are. There is no difference. And I dare you to give some OBJECTIVE way to prove otherwise. All you do is post your subjective opinion about me without any objective facts to back up your claims.

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MidEngineManiac JUL 31, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:
This is getting silly. I know perfectly well how to have conversations. I have them all the time. I am a gifted speaker able to influence juries with my eloquence.




So was Barnibum-Baily.

And they were a WHOLE lot more entertaining and convincing.