Fully Automated Luxury Communism (Page 6/9)
rinselberg APR 05, 04:56 PM
Did you scroll through Whitlock's column?

Whitlock isn't looking at this politically. He's looking at it in terms of technology, economics and human societies. Bastiani describes Fully AutomatedLuxury Communism as being possible because of "A, B and C", but Whitlock doesn't think that "A, B and C" are realistic expectations, even in some fairly distant future of the world.

But Whitlock is not saying that everyone will understand this and so be led to reject the idea of Luxury Communism. Whitlock isn't saying that some people will not continue to imagine Luxury Communism (LuxCom?) anyway, and try to move towards it with intermediate steps. Intermediate steps like Universal Basic Income. I don't think that Whitlock says that, but I'm saying it. Universal Basic Income could be envisioned as a step on the road towards Luxury Communism.

Whatever arguments can be made for or against Universal Basic Income, or raising the Minimum Wage, or shortening the standard work week, or other ideas of that kind, those arguments should proceed without reference to Luxury Communism. These ideas should be examined on their own merit, but not "sold" as steps on a road that leads to Luxury Communism.

That's my take. I'm probably more in step with Whitlock's "Anti-Luxury Communism" than Bastiani's "Pro-Luxury Communism." As far as which of the two sides seems more believable.

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randye APR 05, 10:12 PM
There are three types of people who are attracted to, and promote, Communism

Lazy, Irresponsible and Evil

1. Lazy people. Those people who will not work to provide for themselves. People who believe that their station in life somehow puts them above productive work to earn their own way. Lazy people that expect that it is the responsibility of other people and the government to provide for them. Lazy people who believe that any effort they put forth, no matter how minimal or inconsequential, has value grossly out of proportion to its benefit and value to society. They are called LEFTISTS

2. Irresponsible people. People who take no responsibility for themselves or their own lives. Those who constantly claim to be victims. Those who blame society and others for their own problems. People who blame their own failures in life due to life being "unfair" or "inequitable". Those who continually claim to be "oppressed" and project their own failure in life onto an “oppressor” who they claim is the cause of their failure. They are also called LEFTISTS.

3. Evil people. Power hungry, evil, people who utilize liberty to destroy liberty. People who are fanatical about their quest for personal and political power over others. People who have no faith in God or any power higher than themselves because only they, people who agree with them and the government power that they form can be a “higher power” over mankind. They are people who will use any means, including violence, to silence any and all debate and resistance to their attempt to gain and hold power. People who will use any tool, including race and class resentment, to pit people against each other so that they can use that division and turmoil to gain power. They are overwhelmingly called LEFTISTS.


"174 years of the continual failure of Communism proves nothing"......Karl Marx

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2.5 APR 07, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

But Whitlock is not saying that everyone will understand this and so be led to reject the idea of Luxury Communism. Whitlock isn't saying that some people will not continue to imagine Luxury Communism (LuxCom?) anyway, and try to move towards it with intermediate steps. Intermediate steps like Universal Basic Income. I don't think that Whitlock says that, but I'm saying it. Universal Basic Income could be envisioned as a step on the road towards Luxury Communism.

Whatever arguments can be made for or against Universal Basic Income, or raising the Minimum Wage, or shortening the standard work week, or other ideas of that kind, those arguments should proceed without reference to Luxury Communism. These ideas should be examined on their own merit, but not "sold" as steps on a road that leads to Luxury Communism.




Exactly, and why I responded as I did. A few times. What am I missing?
Valkrie9 APR 09, 09:07 PM

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The packages are different, the prices are too, some sweeteners added, always the lousy kopeks for change, if you're lucky.
Open the package, it smells of rotting corpses, looks like excrement, sugar coated.
Destroy it when you can, before it grows strong.
May cause false images and election results.
One taste and it stays for generations.
( Side effects may be permanent loss of freedom and wealth )
Spit it out !
rinselberg APR 10, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
Exactly, and why I responded as I did. A few times. What am I missing?


You're not missing anything, sir. It's just that in a discussion like this, where at least 10 different "voices" have been heard, things can get confused. Because there's a conflict in every human heart between the rational and irrational. Between good and evil.

It's a story oft told.

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randye APR 10, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


It's a story oft told.





and oft FAILED

Soviet Russia, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Mongolia, Yemen, Czech Republic, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Rep. of Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia, Angola, Benin, Dem Rep. of Congo, Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Mozambique and Zimbabwe.


The irrational evil of LEFTISTS like you always craves domination over people's lives and freedom.
randye APR 10, 09:42 PM
Valkrie9 APR 11, 01:50 AM

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WonderBoy APR 22, 02:21 PM
Miso Robotics
Taking more jobs away from the youngsters (idle hands), so they can't get a start in life (life is a word elitists don't care about. Pawns). One can see why abortion is being pushed by the elitists. Cause food shortages, get this stuff in place (2030 and other deadlines), execute the plan. The humiliation of wearing masks by the SERVANTS/SUBJECTS wasn't enough.
rinselberg APR 22, 02:55 PM
Should farming be changed to do without tractor-drawn plows, seeding and harvesting machines and automated irrigation systems?

The hands and bodies of the very young commonly used to do that work. The very young. The very old. And a lot of ages in between.