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ray b
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JAN 11, 12:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
You are deflecting. There was no switch in the parties. Anyone that tries to push that is lying, and knows they are lying. Just as the Democrats acted in the past, they act in the present. |
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pure BS and racist BS at that
in 1960 the Gop iN the south was THE LIBERAL PARTY
MLK and many other blacks were in the Gop
forget your lies about the demo's vs the KKK
and explain why the blacks quit the Gop if as you claim / lie ''There was no switch in the parties''
aka nixon's southern strategy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy------------------
Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 11, 02:15 PM
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I'm going to go to the actual content first and ask a few questions about this:
| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Where I align with Democrats:
- Abortion
- Voting rights
- Immigration
- LGBTQ+ rights, and similar things I'd associate with the First Amendment, as we have a right from religion just as much as a right for religion
- Capital Punishment
- Generally, more lax sentences for crime
- Privacy and internet protections
- Social justice (I oppose most government action in this area, except where government action caused the imbalance, but it's worth mentioning)
Where I align with Republicans:
- Second amendment
- Healthcare, kinda
- Taxes
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So, the first question I would ask, and not to be insulting, but what "exactly" do you mean when you say you support the Democrats on say something like immigration. Do you actually know what the Democrat party's stance is on immigration, for that matter?
You go to the party's website on this: https://democrats.org/where.../immigration-reform/
... and you can quickly see it's extremely vague, and quite contradictory... such as this,]
"Democrats will continue to work toward comprehensive immigration reform that fixes our nation’s broken immigration system, improves border security, prioritizes enforcement so we are targeting criminals – not families, keeps families together, and strengthens our economy."
... we know that's not at all true because they have eliminated all of Trump's policies, while actually continuing the Obama-era policy of child / parent separation. They actually continue to do this to this day. I can explain in detail if you want me to why this is done, but it's not necessarily pertinent for the argument.
What Democrats are actually doing is allowing as many illegals as they possibly can, into the country. There is no intent to stop them, but they are encouraging it. They resist any fight from the courts or anyone else to do this. The goal of course is to get as many people into this country as possible... with the intent to make them future Democrat voters.
So I ask, what exactly is it about the Democrat platform with immigration do you actually support? And your response shouldn't even mention Trump, otherwise you have no foundation for your argument.
VOTING RIGHTS, what exactly do you think is the Democrat's platform? Do you agree that mass-mail-in voting should be done across the board? Democrats just passed a law in New York that allows non-citizens (over 800k) to vote in NYC elections. Does this mean you support this? Or not?
More lax sentences for crimes? It was Trump that pushed for and passed the Criminal Justice reform.
| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
My view of Democrats is that they're loud on rhetoric but quiet on action
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Seems to me they've done some pretty sweeping things... they've literally cancelled all new oil drilling across all Federal lands, cancelled 3 pipelines, and have single-handedly raised gas prices as a result in order to promote green energy... to the detriment of most of their voters. They've also abandoned all border wall construction, and allowed mass illegal immigration in hopes it'll assist their ability to retain votes in the future. They've been told numerous times that actions they are taking are unconstitutional, but continue to push regardless of what the courts say. What to you mean as "quiet on action?" If they had a 60-vote majority in the senate, they'd be passing laws left and right.
Being completely honest... I don't think you're libertarian at all. I think aside from gun ownership, you're basically a modern day progressive, but would likely be embarrassed to call yourself a "Democrat."
Either you don't /really/ know what the Democrat platform actually is... or you're not a libertarian at all.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 11, 02:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
yes those are all CON'S
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Prescott Bush, voted for the Civil Rights act of 1964
Al Gore's father, voted against the Civil Rights act of 1964
Anita King is still a Republican.
My family... the only link I have to the United States (my grandfather on my mom's side), was a Republican his whole life. His family was a Republican, and they fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment / Union army.
There was no magical "shift."
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theBDub
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JAN 11, 03:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Immigration
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I responded to Brad on this, but my view is the same as the Libertarian Party: https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration/
It should be exceptionally easy. I don't care if someone is an "illegal" immigrant, as long as they aren't otherwise infringing on anyone's rights. So please reread my words:
| quote | | Just to be clear, I do not align closely with either major party, especially on their methods. But on a broad stroke... |
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What I mean by this is that I don't believe the Democrats or Republicans do things correctly, are effective at what they do, or often even do what they say, but in broad terms, this is an easy-to-understand list of where I am.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Being completely honest... I don't think you're libertarian at all. I think aside from gun ownership, you're basically a modern day progressive, but would likely be embarrassed to call yourself a "Democrat."
Either you don't /really/ know what the Democrat platform actually is... or you're not a libertarian at all. |
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My views line up with the Libertarian Party platform. You just have a very common idea that Libertarians are temporarily-embarrassed Republicans. It isn't true. I am a Libertarian, you just aren't very familiar with our platform or beliefs. All of my beliefs come down to the same foundation, and it's really easy to extrapolate out everything from there.
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ray b
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JAN 11, 03:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Prescott Bush, voted for the Civil Rights act of 1964
Al Gore's father, voted against the Civil Rights act of 1964
Anita King is still a Republican.
My family... the only link I have to the United States (my grandfather on my mom's side), was a Republican his whole life. His family was a Republican, and they fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Regiment / Union army.
There was no magical "shift." |
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THIS GUY https://www.theguardian.com...5/usa.secondworldwar
''George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.''
ONE SEES WHY OUR CON'S HATE THEIR REAL HISTORY
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 11, 04:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
My views line up with the Libertarian Party platform. You just have a very common idea that Libertarians are temporarily-embarrassed Republicans. It isn't true. I am a Libertarian, you just aren't very familiar with our platform or beliefs. All of my beliefs come down to the same foundation, and it's really easy to extrapolate out everything from there. |
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I hear what you're saying, but what you're doing seems to be opposite of this.
I see you're living in Dallas Texas right now. Just a question, but weren't you living in California several years ago? Why did you move? Not just for work I suspect?
If I try hard enough, I could convince anyone that my views are "classically liberal" and that really I'm a Democrat... despite the fact I used to vote as one.
Sometimes we also assimilate to a set of believes that someone has already built for us... are you doing this as a "libertarian?"
Party leaders will come and go and change things as they please... but the Oxford dictionary understanding of a Libertarian is:
"...an advocate or supporter of a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens."
That simply could just not be any more further from the truth. No matter how much you are trying to convince us, or yourself... that you support neither the totally evil Republicans, or the temporarily uncool Democrats, the fact is... you could not possibly be anything further from a libertarian than you are with the statements you've made... by anyone's definition.
I would simply say you are a disenfranchised Democrat voter... your ideals absolutely adhere to the Democrats, and even if you don't like the title, that's what you are.
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ray b
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JAN 11, 04:33 PM
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you know there are very good reasons we call our system '' western liberal democracy''
if you do not understand each part and how the parts fit together you could think the trump was a good idea
but then you DO NOT WANT western liberal democracy you want something unamerican to gain an advantage or because you are afraid
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olejoedad
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JAN 11, 04:50 PM
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Our system of government is correctly defined as a Constitutional Republic.
Perhaps you were thinking of some European nation?
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ray b
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JAN 11, 05:02 PM
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no I was thinking that trumpisum is NOT a form of western liberal democracy at it's very core
it is something that is a much darker evil lurking there
it is a form we have seen before and had to fight a war against in europe just a bit before I was born[This message has been edited by ray b (edited 01-11-2022).]
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randye
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JAN 11, 05:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
That simply could just not be any more further from the truth. No matter how much you are trying to convince us, or yourself... that you support neither the totally evil Republicans, or the temporarily uncool Democrats, the fact is... you could not possibly be anything further from a libertarian than you are with the statements you've made... by anyone's definition.
I would simply say you are a disenfranchised Democrat voter... your ideals absolutely adhere to the Democrats, and even if you don't like the title, that's what you are.
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Like I said: "Most people have the ideological IQ of a tree stump" and nothing illustrates that better than the young "Dub" has here.
It is amusing though to read the gobbeldy-gook, mish-mash of contradictory and irreconcilable political posturing that he attempts to assemble into some vaguely coherent "position" that is anything but "libertarian".
It's what you get when a Leftist tries to "identify as" something else.
Everyone else sees him as just a guy in a dress. He just thinks you won't see him for what he really is if tries hard enough to get you to share his delusion.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 01-11-2022).]
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