quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ... this chart only goes to 1990, and even using 1970s through now statistics are silly. The earth is millions of years old (or older). 40 years isn't even a fart in the wind for the life of the planet.

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quote The question is what's happening now, and the evidence has identified the "leading suspect" as the human proliferation of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that has greatly expanded since the onset of the Industrial Age, roughly midway (by most reckoning) into the 1800s.

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quote Originally posted by rinselberg: From the same poorly informed social media crowd that was deceived by this sneaky little "whopper" ...

Speak of fixation, .Perhaps I should introduce you to logic.

noun
the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

a particular method of reasoning or argumentation:

the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.

reason or sound judgment,

convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness:

You should become well acquainted with logic. It will always help you out.

Are you trying to proclaim that meme is not true ? Do you know why that meme was introduced ?

Al Gore invented this grift. He invoked false feelings of sadness in us by proclaiming the ice bergs were going to melt, kill all the polar bears, and flood some islands completely, and change the coastlines all over the world.

They have scrubbed all mention of this on the idiot net but I heard it with my own ears. So many times, I couldn't forget. The his minions extrapolated it.

From the Smithsonian Magazine. April 29, 2010.

Icebergs Contribute to Sea Level Rise

From the New Scientist. 30 April 2010 .

Earth Melting Icebergs Boost Sea-Level Rise

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I disagree. When scientists compare the current climate and climate trends to previous periods in the earth's history, they are careful not to go back so far into the past that they would be "comparing apples to oranges".

Really, ? Who told you that ? Do they teach minion scientists which data to accept for an opinion which tows the official line ? Are these science minions the same one who predicted the coming ice age, back in the early eighties?

Forty years, ? And they proclaim predictions 100 years from now ? They were wrong, multiple times, 20 years into the GRIFT. In fact, not one prediction that the Climatolojesters have made came to be correct ! Not one !

Every time you post your religion I have always called in the veracity of the dribble of which you speak. Every time ! With logic.

I like you just fine rinselberg, but you can count on me countering your religion every single time you post your dribble. Reason being, we have allowed too many lies to become accepted as truth because no one took the time to call out the lie every time it was "claimed".

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: From the Smithsonian Magazine. April 29, 2010. Icebergs Contribute to Sea Level Rise From the New Scientist. 30 April 2010 . Earth Melting Icebergs Boost Sea-Level Rise

That's interesting.

I've been saying that an iceberg that melts, or polar sea ice that melts does not contribute to sea level rise. And in terms of a "first order" analysis, I am not wrong. It's all about Archimedes principle of buoyancy.

But there's a "second order" analysis, which takes into account that an iceberg or polar sea ice that melts becomes water that is fresher or less saline or "not as salty" as the seawater that it's in. There's also some temperature-related factors that come into play. But all of this is secondary. Numerically, in terms of sea level rise, it's very fractional. So it can (and should) be said that icebergs and polar sea ice that melts only contributes to sea level rise in a very small way, compared to the raising of sea levels that results from the melting of land ice (glaciers) and from the thermal expansion of sea water as oceans trend warmer as a direct consequence of the atmospheric greenhouse effect.



Here's the rule of thumb: Is the ice floating in or on seawater, which makes it "sea ice"—or is the ice on top of land? That's what determines whether it contributes to sea level rise as it melts. "It's the land ice, stupid." Of course, if there's an iceberg, it was calved from a glacier at a coastline. The iceberg is sea ice, but before it calved or went into the ocean, it was land ice. So the iceberg contributed to sea level rise on its Born On Date, when it calved and flowed from the land into the sea, and displaced an amount of seawater equivalent to its mass, which provides the buoyancy that causes the iceberg to float.



The famous Anheuser-Busch breweries went "all in" with the Born On Date concept, stamping the date on bottles and cans of Budweiser to assure customers of freshness. But the concept very logically applies to icebergs, as is manifest from the explanation of how icebergs are calved from glaciers.

To reprise, in a first order analysis, an iceberg that is melting away and becoming seawater is not contributing anything more to higher sea levels. It already did all of that on its Born On Date, when it went into the sea.


The second order effects that are identified in the articles that were posted by "cliffw" do not render this "Dumb-Net" meme any less dumb. In fact, they render it even dumber... although only to a second order or fractional extent. It becomes a small fraction dumber than it already was before, when the second order effects of melting icebergs and sea ice are accounted for.

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"I don't like it that many scientists are talking about climate and the connection with human greenhouse gas emissions... even though I haven't the slightest idea of what many scientists are saying when they are talking about climate and the connection with human greenhouse gas emissions. That's why I posted this cartoon of some crazy 'leftist' who exists only in my imagination, and why, some months ago, I also posted this:

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"Hazardous Heat"
First Street Foundation press release; August 15, 2023.
https://firststreet.org/res...from-hazardous-heat/

Includes link to access full report "6th National Climate Risk Assessment: Hazardous Heat"

quote This report highlights the impact of increasing temperatures at a property level, and how the frequency, duration, and intensity of extremely hot days will change over the next 30 years from a changing climate. It includes a high-level overview of the methodology behind the First Street Foundation Extreme Heat Model, a summary of heat risk across the nation, and a series of state pages which summarize and provide insight into new findings about extreme heat risk.

Enter the location of your home or other property and gaze into the First Street Foundation's climate projection "crystal ball".
https://riskfactor.com/

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