California legislature passes bill banning voter ID laws (Page 5/6)
cliffw SEP 02, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
When did I suggest justifying restricting citizens ability to vote you ask ? I never did. No one in this thread suggested that.




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Originally posted by BingB:
BY adding the burden of providing a photo ID you are restricting the rights of citizens that don't have one.

You justification for this restriction is a claim of widspread voter fraud that does not exist.



Who on EARTH does not have a government ID ? How do these poor downtrodden beings get their government cheese, in which the burden of providing a photo ID is mandated.
One fraudulent votes steals my vote. That is my justification to ensure elections are fair.
cliffw SEP 02, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
You say only Republicans benefit from voter ID laws. Yet provide no proof.




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Originally posted by BingB:
Yes I did provide proof. Voter ID laws have a bigger impact on the poor that generally vote Republican.



That proves those with no ID hurts loftoids ?


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Originally posted by BingB:
https://www.brennancenter.o...voter-identification

There is also this

https://www.nytimes.com/201...-political-gain.html



Great, the Brennan Center for Justice, a leftoid research center which relies on the NY Times.



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Originally posted by BingB:
[b][i] "in Wisconsin, Todd Allbaugh, 46, a staff aide to a Republican state legislator, attributed his decision to quit his job in 2015 and leave the party to what he witnessed at a Republican caucus meeting. He wrote on Facebook: ...



Ah yeah, Todd Allbaugh, he has a facespace account. He can post bullzhit just like you.
cliffw SEP 02, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
Are the poor genetically defective and can not figure out how to get an ID, when it is easy and needed in everyday life ?




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Originally posted by BingB:
Your ignorance of the poor is staggering. If they don't have bread then they can eat cake, right?

https://www.brennancenter.o...voter-identification

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.

More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.

1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20.


Again , the Brennan Center for Justice. Leftoid manna.

You can get a photo government ID at any post office.


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Originally posted by BingB:
Because minorities and the poor generally vote Democrat.



White people who are poor also vote Republican.

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Doug85GT SEP 02, 10:36 AM
Having an identification card is a basic task that every citizen does today. They are cheap and easy to get. It is racism of the left when they say black and brown people can't get any form of identification.

For example, $39, 9 minutes to fill out the online application in California and another 10 minutes at a DMV office.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/port...tification-id-cards/
BingB SEP 02, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

Great, the Brennan Center for Justice, a leftoid research center which relies on the NY Times.





All of the quotes I listed were from REPUBLICANS.

Tell me specifically which one of them are liars.
BingB SEP 02, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

Having an identification card is a basic task that every citizen does today. They are cheap and easy to get. It is racism of the left when they say black and brown people can't get any form of identification.

For example, $39, 9 minutes to fill out the online application in California and another 10 minutes at a DMV office.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/port...tification-id-cards/




Again you are proving how disconnected from reality many conservatives are.

"If the poor can't afford bread then let them eat cake."

Learn a little history about "poll taxes". Tell me how "affordable" they have to be in order to be legal. You know, some amount that "anyone can pay".
BingB SEP 02, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


One fraudulent votes steals my vote. That is my justification to ensure elections are fair.




Two points.

1. The fraudulent vote is more likely to be for the candidate you support, so it will "double" instead of "cancel out".

2. One US citizen denied their right to vote by restrictive voter ID laws is a stolen vote. This justifies by objection to them.
Doug85GT SEP 02, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Again you are proving how disconnected from reality many conservatives are.

"If the poor can't afford bread then let them eat cake."

Learn a little history about "poll taxes". Tell me how "affordable" they have to be in order to be legal. You know, some amount that "anyone can pay".




I worked and lived in poor neighborhoods for most of my life. Those poor black and brown people that you look down upon are more than able to get a drivers license or ID card. Many states have motor-voter which is how most people end up registered to vote.

You tell me where it is that you find all of these people who somehow managed to register to vote but can't manage to get a drivers license or ID card?
BingB SEP 02, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:
I worked and lived in poor neighborhoods for most of my life. Those poor black and brown people that you look down upon are more than able to get a drivers license or ID card. Many states have motor-voter which is how most people end up registered to vote.

You tell me where it is that you find all of these people who somehow managed to register to vote but can't manage to get a drivers license or ID card?




I understand that you really believe what you are saying, but that is just something you made up in your head. you have never looked at the actual numbers or the effects of these laws. Here are about a dozen REPUBLICANS who all agree that voter ID laws suppress the vote among minorities. But the biggest difference between them and you is that they are all politicians who actually research how to win elections. They actually know what they are talking about while you are just saying what you have made up in your head.


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Originally posted by BingB:

There is also this

https://www.nytimes.com/201...-political-gain.html

"in Wisconsin, Todd Allbaugh, 46, a staff aide to a Republican state legislator, attributed his decision to quit his job in 2015 and leave the party to what he witnessed at a Republican caucus meeting. He wrote on Facebook:

I was in the closed Senate Republican Caucus when the final round of multiple Voter ID bills were being discussed. A handful of the GOP Senators were giddy about the ramifications and literally singled out the prospects of suppressing minority and college voters. Think about that for a minute. Elected officials planning and happy to help deny a fellow American’s constitutional right to vote in order to increase their own chances to hang onto power."


"In Pennsylvania, the state Republican Party chairman, Robert Gleason, told an interviewer that the state’s voter ID law “had helped a bit” in lowering President Obama’s margin of victory over the Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in the state in 2012"


"Mike Turzai, the Republican leader of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, predicted the state's voter ID law would help Mitt Romney win there in 2012."

"Scott Tranter, a Republican political consultant for Mr. Romney and others, called voter ID laws — and generating long lines at polling places — part of his party's tool kit."




"Don Yelton, a North Carolina Republican Party county precinct chairman, told an interviewer for Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” in 2013 that the state’s voter ID law would “kick the Democrats in the butt.” Mr. Yelton later resigned; the party disavowed his statements."


"In Florida, both the state’s former Republican Party chairman, Jim Greer, and its former Republican governor, Charlie Crist, told The Palm Beach Post in 2012 that the state’s voter ID law was devised to suppress Democratic votes. Mr. Greer told The Post: “The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates. It’s done for one reason and one reason only,” he said. Consultants told him “we’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,” he said.

He added, “They never came in to see me and tell me we had a fraud issue. It’s all a marketing ploy.”


"As for Wisconsin’s law, two federal courts ruled this summer that the ID requirement disenfranchised citizens who had trouble obtaining an approved ID card — many of them minorities who vote Democratic.

Similar laws in North Carolina and Texas were struck down this summer by federal courts that called them racially discriminatory. A federal appeals court ruling in the North Carolina case concluded that that state’s election law had targeted African-American voters because they were overwhelmingly Democrats."
Doug85GT SEP 02, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:




Those are all 2nd hand accounts by people with opposing agendas. Not a single one is a first hand quote.

I am curious where you are finding these people who managed to register to vote but have no drivers license or ID.

Here are some of the things these registered voters with no ID cannot do:

  • Buying Alcohol
  • Opening a Bank Account
  • Applying for Food Stamps
  • Applying for Welfare
  • Applying for Medicaid and Social Security
  • Renting and Buying a House
  • Buying or Renting a Car
  • Flying on an Airplane
  • Get Married
  • Purchasing a Gun
  • Adopting a Pet
  • Applying for a Hunting License
  • Renting a Hotel Room
  • Applying for a Fishing License
  • Picking up a Prescription Medication
  • Visiting a Casino
  • Get a Protest or Rally Permit
  • Donating Blood
  • Purchasing Mature-Rated Video Games
  • Purchasing Tobacco
  • Applying for Unemployment Benefits
  • Petition Your Government


What kind of a life are these registered voters with no ID living?