Blue-state meltdown (Page 5/11)
rinselberg FEB 10, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

You should reconsider most of the bullsheet that you post.

Just sayin'....



You're a sucker for "low hanging fruit." You can't refrain from blurting out empty quips of this kind, anytime you think there's an opening for it.

"Just sayin'..."
olejoedad FEB 10, 09:45 AM
You would know....lots of experience.
rinselberg FEB 10, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Fats:

I would be more interested in crime in areas compared to voting tendencies in that area. For example, Missouri is reactively crime free, as long as you exclude Saint Louis and Kansas City from the counting, both areas that are Democrat strongholds and have been for a long time. The rest of the State is Republican. Both cities are crime ridden crap holes that make our quiet State look bad. We've tried giving them to Kansas and Illinois, but they aren't falling for that one.

I would bet that as you get away from the Democrat areas of California, that crime also drops significantly and will reflect voting habits of the specific area.

There is a couple of phenomena we run into driving over the road. Two things, the more Democrat an area is, the worst the drivers are. And the more "progressive" bumper stickers a vehicle has on it, the more likely it is to cut you off or do stupid things. The only conclusion I can come to (and I might be wrong) is that the more progressive a person becomes, the less they care about other people or the effects their actions have on others. This creates a sort of snowball effect where everyone stops being decent unless the police or news is watching.

On a semi-related note. I'd be curious as to the political makeup of prisoners. I would bet that most aren't registered with either party, but just curious about their leanings. I did a quick search on it but can only find very biased sites that ignore the totals and just try to play in the numbers to get their own biased views confirmed.


St. Louis and Kansas City may be Democratic strongholds, but that's only government at the city and county level.

At the state level, Missouri is currently a Republican "trifecta"—a Republican governor and Republican majorities in the Missouri Senate and the General Assembly. Missouri also has Republicans across the board in the other top slots in Jefferson City: the state Attorney General, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, State Auditor and Treasurer are all Republicans. No one is listed as a Democrat in this "Ballotpedia" listing of the Missouri state executive officeholders:
https://ballotpedia.org/Mis...te_executive_offices

St. Louis and Kansas City are Democratic strongholds at the city and county level, but what happens in St. Louis and Kansas City is also shaped by what happens at the state level.

And of course, the national level.

It's not so easy to put it all on Democrats when it comes to the typical "big city" problems like gangs and street crime, underperforming public school systems, substandard infrastructure, shortages of affordable housing, and polluted air, water and soil.

It's easy to say that it's all on Democrats, but that isn't the reality.
BingB FEB 10, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

and I don't know, or really care whether the Democrat party attracts mental illness and crime, or if it causes it. That's not for me to decide. Either way... it doesn't change the facts... and if we're smart, we should try to figure out WHY this is the way it is.




The "if we are smart" says it all.

You can not understand this issue until you get smart enough to understand the difference between "causation" and "correlation". I point out the fact that large cities controlled by Republicans have the same problems as Democrats and you just completely ignore it.

It is impossible to have any reasonable debate about facts with you. Your political standing is so completely controlled by your emotions that you can't even discuss facts. You just shut down when presented with any facts that conflicts with your feelings.

If "democratic policies" are the cause of high crime rates in big cities then why do big cities controlled by Republicans also have high crime rates?
BingB FEB 10, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Fats:

Missouri is reactively crime free, as long as you exclude Saint Louis and Kansas City from the counting





This is complete BS.

Neveda, Caruthersville, Springfield, and many other towns in Missouri have high crime rates.
olejoedad FEB 10, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
This is complete BS.

(snip) I




Because your comments are BS.
BingB FEB 10, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


Because your comments are BS.




Wrong again.

My comments are 100% correct.
cliffw FEB 10, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Big cities have higher crime rates. Does not matter if they are controlled by Democrats or Republicans. Same for rural areas. Crime rate is lower no matter which party is in control. So crime rate does not have to do with political party control.



My my.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Define crime rate.
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 10, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
The "if we are smart" says it all.

You can not understand this issue until you get smart enough to understand the difference between "causation" and "correlation". I point out the fact that large cities controlled by Republicans have the same problems as Democrats and you just completely ignore it.

It is impossible to have any reasonable debate about facts with you. Your political standing is so completely controlled by your emotions that you can't even discuss facts. You just shut down when presented with any facts that conflicts with your feelings.

If "democratic policies" are the cause of high crime rates in big cities then why do big cities controlled by Republicans also have high crime rates?




I've proven to you that the majority of the insane are Democrats. I've also proven to you that the majority of those who commit crimes are Democrats.

You're talking about causation and correlation. I could care less... it still doesn't change the fact that most of the insane and crime-ridden are Democrat.

YOU, as a Democrat, should try to figure it out. Maybe YOU can tell me why that is... is it because the Democrat party attracts these people? Or is it because the Democrat party causes it? I think it's a little bit of both, personally...


I'm all ears though. Please explain to me why most criminals and insane are Democrat?
BingB FEB 11, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I've proven to you that the majority of the insane are Democrats. I've also proven to you that the majority of those who commit crimes are Democrats.

You're talking about causation and correlation. I could care less... it still doesn't change the fact that most of the insane and crime-ridden are Democrat.

YOU, as a Democrat, should try to figure it out. Maybe YOU can tell me why that is... is it because the Democrat party attracts these people? Or is it because the Democrat party causes it? I think it's a little bit of both, personally...


I'm all ears though. Please explain to me why most criminals and insane are Democrat?




Democrats control most big cities. Big cities have higher crime rates. Therefore democrats have higher crime rates. But there is no "causation" connection between crime and democrats. It is just a correlation. This is proven by the facts that big cities that are controlled by Republicans also have higher crime rates. The high crime rates in these cities are not caused by any "republican policy" anymore than high crime rates in cities controlled by democrats are caused by any "democrat policy". Instead the high crime rate has to do with other issues like population density, poverty concentration, and opportunity.

Your claim that you don't care about the difference between "causation" and "correlation" is nothing more than you bragging about your ignorance. The difference between "causation" and "correlation" is a basic principle of logic. Ignoring it just makes you look uneducated.

[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 02-11-2024).]