William Penn -- Cancelled (Page 5/22) 82-T/A [At Work] JAN 16, 07:33 AM quote Originally posted by rinselberg: Eliminate the U.S. Department of Education and outsource all public K1-K12 education to PragerU. "Problem solved." I like Prager U as much as the next libertarian / conservative... but I don't really understand the purpose of the Department of Education. All of what the DoE does can be performed in a single comprehensive Federal law that says... "School should be for 12 years + kindergarten. It should include Math, English, Science... blah." The states shouldn't be forced to a curriculum by any single organization. Let the states manage their own school systems (which for the most part is what they already do) within that period. If liberal states want to teach their kids that Pol Pot was a great man, then let them. But as we're seeing with California and NY... eventually these ideals get rejected. The DoE is often the one that pushes / funds various projects like DEI discussions... which leads to bringing in radical speakers, programs, and other things within the schools. Democrat politicians want everything under the central government... it's easier to control the country that way. But you'll see over the next few years, the erosion of the central government and the reinstatement of the rights to the states... the way the Constitution was originally planned. At least, that's the goal... and the hope. rinselberg JAN 16, 09:46 AM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I like Prager U as much as the next libertarian / conservative... but I don't really understand the purpose of the Department of Education. All of what the DoE does can be performed in a single comprehensive Federal law that says... "School should be for 12 years + kindergarten. It should include Math, English, Science... blah." The states shouldn't be forced to a curriculum by any single organization. Let the states manage their own school systems (which for the most part is what they already do) within that period. If liberal states want to teach their kids that Pol Pot was a great man, then let them. But as we're seeing with California and NY... eventually these ideals get rejected. The DoE is often the one that pushes / funds various projects like DEI discussions... which leads to bringing in radical speakers, programs, and other things within the schools. Democrat politicians want everything under the central government... it's easier to control the country that way. But you'll see over the next few years, the erosion of the central government and the reinstatement of the rights to the states... the way the Constitution was originally planned. At least, that's the goal... and the hope. DoE or more usually DOE is most commonly understood as "Department of Energy." USDE is the best way to acronym the U.S. Department of Education. Just a federal law of the kind that "82" has suggested cannot be sufficient. Kindergarten and K1-K12 public education across the entire United States is inherently beyond just leaving it to each individual state. That couldn't work. You would need a big task force within the U.S. Department of Justice to keep a finger on the pulse of all 50 states and ensure that any such federal law is being effectively and equitably upheld. And if you had that, it would be far better for it to be its own federal department... a U.S. Department of Education. olejoedad JAN 16, 10:19 AM All that the USDoE needs to do is set minimum standards for teacher certification, classroom curriculum and graduation. The States should do the rest. The bureaucracy in Washington is a drain of resources on the entire system. BingB JAN 16, 10:30 AM quote Originally posted by randye: "Dangerous" huh? What are your "safe" sources of current information Freddy? For factual occurrences I rely on sources that can be cross checked for reliability. If I see a story that sounds a little sketchy on MCNBC I should be able to cross check that with a story from a right-wing source like Fox News. Complex issues involving science, medicine, the law or anything else that requires extensive education and/or training are more complicate. I don't have a lab or legal or medical degree. In those cases I have to rely on consensus among the experts. For example I was a little wary of the Covid vaccine. It was developed very quickly and Trump would do anything to get people back to work and school. But when I saw that a large majority of doctors were getting the vaccine for themselves and their families I trusted it. What sources do you depend on Randye? BingB JAN 16, 10:41 AM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: All that the USDoE needs to do is set minimum standards for teacher certification, classroom curriculum and graduation. The States should do the rest. The bureaucracy in Washington is a drain of resources on the entire system. States depend so much on federal funding for their schools that Washington uses it as a tool to force their compliance. Individual States have a lot of autonomy, but they often give some of it up just so they can get the federal funds. But the largest portion of the Dept. of Education funding goes to college and secondary education. olejoedad JAN 16, 10:46 AM quote Originally posted by BingB: States depend so much on federal funding for their schools that Washington uses it as a tool to force their compliance. Individual States have a lot of autonomy, but they often give some of it up just so they can get the federal funds. But the largest portion of the Dept. of Education funding goes to college and secondary education. I agree with what you say. Where does the Dept. of Education source it's money from? BingB JAN 16, 10:49 AM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Democrat politicians want everything under the central government... it's easier to control the country that way. Not always. Southern Democrats fought hard against the Civil Rights Act and Voters Rights Act that took the power away from the States and placed it with the Federal government. "States Rights" used to be a Democrat thing. Funny how the parties flipped on that issue. olejoedad JAN 16, 11:02 AM BingB, you once asked me where I source my information from, and I failed to respond. My apologies. I do not watch television. I do not use social media. I source my current informational needs from congressional hearings, nonpartisan websites such as Real Clear Politics, and by addresses from a variety of speakers through various print media. My long term views have been solidified by my educational background, my career.experiences in heavy industry, manufacturing, sales and small business. As the child of a military family, I have lived all over the United States and Europe, and have interacted with children and adults from many different cultures and ethnicities. I have been an avid reader my entire life, and insatiably curious about everything around me. So, to answer your question, I have too many resources at my disposal to rely on the propaganda spouted by today's technology. I know what is right, and what is wrong, and how society should care for its future - the children. We are doing an abdominal job in preparing for the future. BingB JAN 16, 11:51 AM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: nonpartisan websites such as Real Clear Politics,. Sounds like overall you have a broad base of knowledge. But I just want to point out that Real Clear Politics posts a lot of very partisan articles. Their claim to being "non-partisan" is based on the fact that they post articles from BOTH sides. olejoedad JAN 16, 11:55 AM Isn't that the very definition of nonpartisan? They present views from both sides of an issue, the very reason the website exists!