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Patrick
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AUG 05, 04:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by PhatMax:
Just because the system passes a law doesnt mean it’s right. Kinda like seat belt laws….don’t need one on a bus or a motorcycle. …just sayin.
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I hope you're not suggesting that being "thrown clear" of a car after impact and/or rollover is preferred over being held firmly in place. I haven't heard anyone argue that since about 1968.
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fredtoast
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AUG 05, 05:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
It's even funnier to watch you try to argue the wrong issue .
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I have no clue what you are even talking about
82 and I were talking about the smell of marijuana being probable cause for a search.
What are you talking about?
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fredtoast
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AUG 05, 05:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by PhatMax:
Jury’s can absolutely nullify a law…period. Just because the system passes a law doesnt mean it’s right. Kinda like seat belt laws….don’t need one on a bus or a motorcycle. …just sayin. |
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No. A jury has not authority to nullify a law. That would be insane. Have millions of people vote for representatives to create laws and then just let 12 random people with no authority change it???
There is a document called the Constitution that explains who has authority to create or change laws in this country. And it says nothing about any jury nullification.
WTF kind of system would that produce? Now one would be able to follow any law because they would have no idea what the law was.[This message has been edited by fredtoast (edited 08-05-2023).]
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fredtoast
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AUG 05, 05:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
BUT THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS AFRAID OF CITIZEN SUPERVISION AND FORBIDS IT |
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I have no idea what this even means. Citizens elect representatives that pass laws. If we don't like the laws we elect different people. That is how citizens "supervise" the system.
Having a random group of just 12 people change laws is insane. How can 12 random people have more authority than representatives elected by millions of people?
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ray b
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AUG 05, 05:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Unfortunate incidents, but also proof that our system works. Neither of these men were convicted of anything. IN the first case the District attorney would not even prosecute.
Police make bad arrests all the time. We will never have perfect police, but as long as the mistakes are corrected by the system then the system still works. |
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NO THE SYSTEM DOES NOT ''WORK''
as there is no balance in go to jail but get let go the next day or week
no cop problem just do it again no stop no correction no limits
jail who ever for any BS made up charge
and do it over and over
once in a while they catch something more
or steal your cash for no real reason just maybe a crime somewhere
we do not hold the law to any real standards
they can lie to your face that is legal
if you lie to them that is not
no cop goes to jail for a bad arrest ever
or lost a dime of pay or had the car impounded
but the citizen can and will most often
no sorry no free tow or even bus fare
when not charged just move along quickly
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fredtoast
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AUG 05, 05:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
NO THE SYSTEM DOES NOT ''WORK''
as there is no balance in go to jail but get let go the next day or week
no cop problem just do it again no stop no correction no limits
jail who ever for any BS made up charge
and do it over and over
once in a while they catch something more
or steal your cash for no real reason just maybe a crime somewhere
we do not hold the law to any real standards
they can lie to your face that is legal
if you lie to them that is not
no cop goes to jail for a bad arrest ever
or lost a dime of pay or had the car impounded
but the citizen can and will most often
no sorry no free tow or even bus fare
when not charged just move along quickly |
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Sorry, but I can not really understand what you are trying to say.
How would YOU make the criminal justice system work? Include exact details.
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ray b
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AUG 05, 05:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
No. A jury has not authority to nullify a law. That would be insane. Have millions of people vote for representatives to create laws and then just let 12 random people with no authority change it???
There is a document called the Constitution that explains who has authority to create or change laws in this country. And it says nothing about any jury nullification.
WTF kind of system would that produce? Now one would be able to follow any law because they would have no idea what the law was.
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BS THE LAWS CAN BE AN A$$
the citizen on the jury is the fuse link
other wise there is regulated terror like the avg HOA
and just as arbitrary and asinine if not in the correct click/cult
the avg citizen will support just reasonable laws
just when the crazy pigs try to steal your money
under the current laws with no proof of any crime
then claim immunity from the law for theft
that it needs fixen yesterday
and hell no the law is whatever the local prejudices dictate
fair and just is a happy accident if it happens
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ray b
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AUG 05, 06:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Sorry, but I can not really understand what you are trying to say.
How would YOU make the criminal justice system work? Include exact details.
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no you do NOT want to
there is a BIG difference
no immunity for any illegal acts for all officials
same as the citizen not knowing is no excuse ever
end the war on my religion
I am a 67 hippy
I believe in sex and drugs and rock&roll
legal drugs reduces crime
stop illegal stealing peoples money on a maybe whim
ie traffic or travel with cash is not a crime
a huge reason for traffic stops search for cash
tell the jury if the law is an ass act on that fact
ie allow people to know they can nullify bad use of laws
cut way down on plea deals by no extra added time
lots more judges and lawdogs with way less BS in the system
make the system work for people not for the system
stop the petty 90% of paper BS
worry far more about is it just
and fair then ''the law''
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PhatMax
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AUG 06, 08:16 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I hope you're not suggesting that being "thrown clear" of a car after impact and/or rollover is preferred over being held firmly in place. I haven't heard anyone argue that since about 1968.
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Not suggesting it at all, belts are a good idea. But I don’t need protection from myself…
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 06, 11:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
I have no clue what you are even talking about
82 and I were talking about the smell of marijuana being probable cause for a search.
What are you talking about?
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Go back and re-read the thread. It was very clear what he meant.
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