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rinselberg
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APR 06, 04:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
The article has nothing to do with climate. It is anti-big bank and anti landlord, and pro socialist. |
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Well.. I only wanted an image of one of India's tenant farmers. Any one of them. As part of my gedankenexperiment (thought experiment) that lines up all the nearly 8 billion people on earth, from first to last, in terms how qualified they are to speak to climate-related issues of science. Like the substance of the IPCC reports. Or the climate-related research that's published through the auspices of NASA, or NOAA, or the U.K.'s "Met" (Meteorology) offices... or Australia's yada yada yada. "What have you."
I have woven this image of one of India's tenant farmers into my narrative, which is a reaction to Wichita and (many of) his forum messages.
The substance of that article is of no matter to me. It has nothing to do with what I wanted to say in reaction to this latest image that Wichita posted. Knowing the substance of this article does not make me want to retract or go back and change even a word of my new Big Narrative.
I just lifted the man's photograph from that article. I couldn't even have read the article if I wanted to. I was blocked by the paywall popup. I could only have read the article if I had subscribed, or registered, which I did not want to do. All I could see was the man's photograph and part of the caption below the photograph, at the very top of the article..
How's that?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-06-2023).]
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williegoat
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APR 06, 05:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Well.. I only wanted an image of one of India's tenant farmers...
How's that?
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Maybe you could ask Challa what he thinks of Greta.
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rinselberg
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APR 06, 06:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Maybe you could ask Challa what he thinks of Greta.
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Well... that doesn't change my mind about the "ice berg" or the "Ice cube melting in a measuring cup of water" meme, which plays at Science as a way to call out the people (or some of the people) at the COP27 or most recent of the global climate change-concerned gatherings as "IDIOTS"—but this meme plays at Science in the conspicuously inept way of a third baseman who allows a softly struck ground ball to roll between his legs and into the outfield, upon which the opposing team, having just scored the decisive run because of that third baseman's surprising ineptness, wins the game in a "walk off".
The "ice cube melting" meme is a dumb meme. I hope that anyone who extends this forum thread with a new or another message of their own—a "post", as it were—will allow their Better Angels to prevail, and to agree with me that it is a dumb meme in the sense that the "Science" part of it is a FAIL, even if they agree with the overarching idea that is expressed by the meme, that all (or some) of the people at the COP27 or other global warming-focused gathering are, in fact, "idiots".
It would be as if someone came along and said that they didn't like the Biden administration's ideas about student loan forgiveness, because "blue is the most common color expression of living organisms." It's certainly debatable, about the Biden administration's ideas about student loans, but what's that got to do with this completely irrelevant observation about the color "blue", which I think of as a clearly wrong observation—but even if were an accurate observation, it would not be one iota more relevant in this context of student loans. That is the dumbness of this "ice cube" meme.
For someone to have posted this meme previously on this forum (some time ago) without further comment makes me think that the person who posted this meme "fell" for it. The person thought it was a "righteous" meme, on scientific grounds. That the simple, kitchen-table experiment of an ice cube melting in a measuring glass of water is somehow a refutation or debunking of how climate researchers connect the earth's cryosphere (ice) with the earth's sea levels. It is not. I have gone to extraordinary lengths to explain, in as easily understood a way as I can think of, to explain—nay to document—why it is not.
Are members of the social network community that traffics in memes of this kind in a good place to call out the "left" as "anti-science"..?
If that isn't a proverbial pot calling a proverbial kettle "black", then what is?
I have some insight into Wichita's thinking, having avidly followed all of his most recent posts.
When Wichita says the "left" is 'anti-science", he is motivated more by the transgender issues that have arisen in our society, than by any of this climate or global-warming "stuff". He is not knowledgeable enough about what goes in the minds of climate scientists and researchers to have an honest disagreement with them. Ideally, he should "recuse" himself from the topic(s) of the planet's climate and the reality (or hoax) of "global warming".
His constant harping on Greta Thunberg as an object of ridicule is sincere, no doubt, in his own mind. But under the surface or at the subconscious level, I believe that Wichita's "big beef" with the "left" over science is rooted in the tensions and conflicts over whether gender dysphoria is a real thing, or whether people should be allowed to undergo transgendering, and on how the circumscribing conditions or limitations on that should properly be set.
He can troll Greta Thunberg (in particular) or climate activists and their sympathizers all he wants, but he isn't engaging with climate science and scientific research when he does that. I hope he understands that. I hope everyone who comes to these "shoals" understands that.
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williegoat
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APR 06, 06:58 PM
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So, are you saying that India needs more icebergs or that Greta is beset with gender dysphoria?
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Fitz301
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APR 06, 07:18 PM
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So this is where those so-called "scientists" are getting some of their money from...
https://www.bizpacreview.co...ters-report-1347849/
So, of course, it's in their best interest to push "climate change", isn't it?[This message has been edited by Fitz301 (edited 04-06-2023).]
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 06, 07:19 PM
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I think he actually means India needs more gender dysphoria and Greta is beset with icebergs. Sure looks frigid anyway.
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Wichita
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APR 06, 07:55 PM
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If you notice that these leftist brainwashed pseudoscience believing cultist always use fear, often lies, to push their agenda, why would anyone take these leftist cranks seriously on the topic of climate shift?
If the anti-science response to Covid and their bigotry towards females is any tell that they are mad and thought controlled puppets, we can go back to their historical adoption of communism and fascism will give you plenty of evidence.
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Patrick
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APR 06, 10:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
If the anti-science response to Covid and their bigotry towards females is any tell that they are mad and thought controlled puppets, we can go back to their historical adoption of communism and fascism will give you plenty of evidence.
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... What's that in English?
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rinselberg
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APR 07, 12:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fitz301:
So this is where those so-called "scientists" are getting some of their money from...
https://www.bi...ort-1347849/
So, of course, it's in their best interest to push "climate change", isn't it? |
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So this report starts with this:
| quote | | A foreign national has funneled boatloads of “dark money” dollars to environmental groups that invested big in data mining operations that targeted millions of President Biden’s voters in crucial swing states ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. |
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There's nothing in this brief report that connects this with funding for the research that's done at public and private universities and other scientific institutions, or under the aegis of NASA or the NOAA, or the counterparts in other countries, or under the aegis of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
This is about targeting voters.
When researchers submit their research for preprint review or peer-reviewed publication in science journals or at scientifically "regular" meetings or conferences, they are supposed to disclose any outside funding that they have received, if they have receiving such funding, that would not be obvious from their listed academic or governmental affiliations. That funding-related information should be available to the public, because anyone (like me, for example) could go looking at the science journals online.
So let's not redefine what this article is saying, into something significantly different than what it is saying.
That would not be good.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-07-2023).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 07, 07:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Say "hello" to Challabattula "call me Chall" N... well, I don't have his last name. Just that it starts with an "N". His last name keeps getting covered up by a paywall popup that would grant access to the article if I wanted to subscribe. Which I don't. But he's one of India's tenant famers, and even though he needs to take a dump, he stopped just long enough for this photo.
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Hahaha!!! How do you know he has to take a dump?
I've been to India, it's a pretty cool place. Unfortunately, their government doesn't really have the structure to control or manage a lot of what goes on. The government has changed little, really, since the British set it up. But what has done more for India than anything else, is Capitalism. This has brought more wealth, and brought more people out of poverty than any of their programs. For that, many of them are very supportive of U.S.-based ideologies. There's very much a caste system, but prior to Capitalism, they had enormous poverty. Poverty does still exist in high numbers, but there are so many mechanisms now to become successful, and the culture itself allows and encourages people to want to get out of it... not like the United States (lately) where we've coddled a victim mentality and encouraged people to just not care anymore because nothing is their fault.
Never the less, India still has a huge problem with pollution. "Climate Change," is the least of their problems. Proper sanitation, waste disposal, natural resource preservation, natural habitat preservation, etc., are far more at issue or concern than climate change. And this is really to the point that I've been trying to make all along. This is a quote which I hope you'll think about, and remember... because I think it's fitting...
"Democrats spend 50% of their efforts solving 1% of the problem, and 49% creating problems."
In the United States, most left-leaning states do not even have a proper recycling program, or a means for environmentally disposing of waste.
Some examples of India's problems here:
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