Thoughts on the blame game... (Page 4/5)
NewDustin NOV 13, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

You're clearly reading into this more than what I'm saying... which I think is intentional. I take this very personally... so I apologize if I'm getting heated. I contend that you still cannot provide any substance to saying this was Trump's fault. I have other friends (all Democrats) who say the same thing... because this was the narrative that the White House pushed as a desperate attempt to explain away the disaster that was the Afghan pull-out. I'm really upset with the way things turned out.

As for defense contractors, I'm not going to diminish their service... but you and I clearly were not paid in any way shape or form, close to what a defense contractor was paid. You and I (I assume) did what we did because we care about our country. Maybe that's why a defense contractor does it too... but they certainly make a lot of money from it.

For whatever it matters... Area 82, and Camp Vance were all DoD civilians. They don't get free mental healthcare... we get the obligatory before and after meeting with the psychologist, and that's that. If I have problem, I have to figure it out on my own.




Don't blame veterans for their dead comrades. Don't insinuate, don't make comments that seem like they might suggest...not even in a round-a-bout, they'd-have-to-read-too-far-into-it kind of way. At least don't do it to me. You hit WAY too close to home. I don't want to drag this interaction out further.
82-T/A [At Work] NOV 13, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:
Don't blame veterans for their dead comrades. Don't insinuate, don't make comments that seem like they might suggest...not even in a round-a-bout, they'd-have-to-read-too-far-into-it kind of way. At least don't do it to me. You hit WAY too close to home. I don't want to drag this interaction out further.



I did NOT blame you for dead comrades... and please stop saying that.
blackrams NOV 13, 01:41 PM
Decide for yourselves:

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan

https://www.factcheck.org/2...al-from-afghanistan/

I have no idea on how much time and preparation/planning/training went into the "withdrawal" But, it's pretty danged obvious it was insufficient, and the tools needed to accomplish it safely were not in place.


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And the Trump administration kept to the pact, reducing U.S. troop levels from about 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban continued to attack Afghan government forces and welcomed al-Qaeda terrorists into the Taliban leadership.



But, the Taliban stopped attacking US troops. That was DJT's goal. US troops were going to leave but, Biden opened the door when he started changing the agreement.............

Rams

[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 11-13-2024).]

cliffw NOV 16, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
I've been pretty much silent on this Forum since the election.

There is a passage in Proverbs that discourages gloating when your opposition fails.

I think it would be good if the people followed the scripture in this case.

We should all be good winners, and good losers.



Forgive me Lord, I have sinned.

Joe, I follow the Bible. We are all sinners. Is celebrating you teams win gloating ?
ray b NOV 16, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

I've been pretty much silent on this Forum since the election.

There is a passage in Proverbs that discourages gloating when your opposition fails.

I think it would be good if the people followed the scripture in this case.

We should all be good winners, and good losers.


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Originally posted by Doug85GT:




"Conan, what is best in life?"

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of their women both with and without penises"




you do understand in the movie the star is a barbarian ?

yes I do agree the rump is also a barbarian
and will act like one
that is THE PROBLEM

BTW putin is also a barbarian but he owns the rump

I do not like foreign dictators owning our leadership
ray b NOV 16, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Nope... you don't get to twist this. Trump had nothing to do with this pull-out... Biden was president for 8 months.


Biden literally upended every single policy that Trump had enacted by the end of day 1... yet I'm supposed to somehow believe that Afghanistan is Trump's fault and that Biden followed it exactly and totally?

Ignoring the fact that I helped write a portion of the policy (and it didn't include leaving civilians, abandoning BAF and our embassy, leaving classified equipment behind, etc.)... but let's say for funsies that you were correct. Who then is more retarded... Trump for writing a bad policy... or Biden for following it exactly 8 months later?



lying for the rump still ?

rump did it
it was 100% a RUMP DEAL
HIS PEOPLE WROTE THE PLAN
[you admit it]
SET THE TIME TABLE
[you admit it]
THE ART OF THE DEAL ON DISPLAY
then you claim it ain't the rumps chitpile
BS BS BS BS

ADMIT THE RUMP SCREWED THE AFGANS TOTALLY AND COMPLETLY
olejoedad NOV 16, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:


lying for the rump still ?

rump did it
it was 100% a RUMP DEAL
HIS PEOPLE WROTE THE PLAN
[you admit it]
SET THE TIME TABLE
[you admit it]
THE ART OF THE DEAL ON DISPLAY
then you claim it ain't the rumps chitpile
BS BS BS BS

ADMIT THE RUMP SCREWED THE AFGANS TOTALLY AND COMPLETLY



Your bias clouds your judgement.
randye NOV 17, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Your bias clouds your judgement.




I don't think bias is the only thing causing his clouds.
olejoedad NOV 17, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:


yes I do agree the rump is also a barbarian
and will act like one
that is THE PROBLEM

BTW putin is also a barbarian but he owns the rump

I do not like foreign dictators owning our leadership



You should be ecstatic that the Dems are no longer in control of our government.

How many of the members of the DNC are owned by the CCP?

Would anyone care to make that very
long list?
NewDustin NOV 20, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Decide for yourselves:

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan

https://www.factcheck.org/2...al-from-afghanistan/

I have no idea on how much time and preparation/planning/training went into the "withdrawal" But, it's pretty danged obvious it was insufficient, and the tools needed to accomplish it safely were not in place.


Outside of Biden pushing the date, that's been exactly my point. I think there is a good point I missed in that pushing the date absolutely made things worse.


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Originally posted by blackrams:
But, the Taliban stopped attacking US troops. That was DJT's goal. US troops were going to leave but, Biden opened the door when he started changing the agreement.............

Rams


I'm counting far more than one stated objective for this. While I agree the withdrawal has achieved many of them (including the stopping attacks against US troops) it failed in just as many. I'm not blaming Trump expressly for those failures, but am confused by the insistence that Trump carries absolutely no blame for how things turned out, or that his goals were all accomplished.