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randye
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SEP 04, 12:58 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Hillary Clinton was just as smart as Bill. The only difference between them was that Bill was a charmer while no one trusted her even when she did tell the truth.
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Glad that you mentioned old "Cankles Clinton". That provides the perfect segue to ask you to give us a verified instance of Republicans doing this for a presidential debate:
https://www.cbsnews.com/new...to-clinton-campaign/
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cliffw
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SEP 04, 07:58 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
No, Giggle told you wrong again.
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
No it did not.
I posted the link to prove it. Trump tried to back out because of a supposed conflict with ABC. |
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Yeah, dumbocrats believe that. All they need is third hand hear say from a source which agrees with their biased misconceptions.[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 09-04-2024).]
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BingB
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SEP 04, 08:55 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Yeah, dumbocrats believe that. All they need is third hand hear say from a source which agrees with their biased misconceptions.
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Trump said it directly.
WTF are you talking about. Are you seriously claiming that Trump never said any of this?
If my source is wrong then give me your source.
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NewDustin
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SEP 04, 12:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
When Biden picked her she was qualified for the position, but I certainly felt like he was playing politics with a brown woman. Despite a popular myth he never said he would pick a minority or a woman as his VP, but it sure seemed that way.
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This completely misunderstands what an inclusivity and diversity are trying to accomplish. The argument for DEI hiring goes something like:
P1. There is a difference in opportunities available, not just outcomes, for some groups
P2. Those groups are equally capable of performing in the roles this lack of opportunity impacts
C. Opportunities should be directly extended to those groups impacted by this gap
If you believe that all gender and racial groups have the exact same access to opportunities, then DEI hiring/staffing/whatever will make no sense; you disagree with a core premise of their rationale.
If you assume a "brown woman" will naturally perform worse than a a more traditionally colored or gendered candidate, DEI hires will make no sense; again you disagree with a core premise of their rationale.
I think the worst thing about Kamala Harris' campaign is she is such a boringly safe choice. She secures huge voting blocks, and outside of an overly-conservative law enforcement career, she's exactly the kind of party player the Democrat's strategy calls for. The anti-DEI argument "but that's just about what she looks like!" falls awful flat when it comes from a group that votes exclusively for taller-than-average, middle-aged-or-older, white men (or maybe I'm mistaken and you all supported Obama and/or Hillary). Speaking of, I still think the Democrats should have run Romney (assuming he'd take the nomination).
I'd say whether Harris was made VP (and then Presidential candidate) solely because she's a "brown woman" or because she was a good choice for candidate will be largely determined by her performance during this election cycle, which includes the debate. Extremely polished, experienced, and connected candidates have been ground up by Trump in debates; it will become harder to back up "she's just some brown lady they picked because they feel bad for brown ladies" as she continues to do well against him.
I'm also really unsure where the idea that Harris needs to be protected from herself comes from. Are there examples of gaffes that have set her back, or a history of providing false information? From a more balanced vantage, it seems they're defending a position where traditional candidates (which Harris is) are much more impacted by gaffes than Trump is. It doesn't matter to his numbers if what he says is incorrect, insulting, or inflammatory; a large amount of support for him is based off of him doing just that. That's an almost unique attribute among candidates and seems a much more reasonable explanation for the differences in media appearances between him and all of his opponents.[This message has been edited by NewDustin (edited 09-04-2024).]
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BingB
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SEP 04, 01:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
This completely misunderstands what an inclusivity and diversity are trying to accomplish. The argument for DEI hiring goes something like:
P1. There is a difference in opportunities available, not just outcomes, for some groups
P2. Those groups are equally capable of performing in the roles this lack of opportunity impacts
C. Opportunities should be directly extended to those groups impacted by this gap
If you believe that all gender and racial groups have the exact same access to opportunities, then DEI hiring/staffing/whatever will make no sense; you disagree with a core premise of their rationale.
If you assume a "brown woman" will naturally perform worse than a a more traditionally colored or gendered candidate, DEI hires will make no sense; again you disagree with a core premise of their rationale.
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There is a difference between making a DEI hire in the corporate world and making a DEI "hire" for a publicity contest like an election. Both hires might be made on the basis of predicted performance, but the latter is more likely to seem to instead be a plea for popularity.
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cliffw
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SEP 04, 05:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Yes I did.
He asked me why democrats avoid debates and I pointed out that Trump was the one trying to avoid the debate not Harris.
The only "debate" that Harris has declined was a make believe one on September 4th that Trump scheduled on Fox after he "cancelled" the one for September 10 on ABC.
Harris has not refused any legitimate offers to debate.
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Why is a debate by Fox News not a legitimate debate offer ? Why is it make believe ? Because they will be too mean and not give camala the questions in advance ?
Or is it like Todd says ? They are scared.[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 09-04-2024).]
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cliffw
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SEP 04, 05:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
The argument for DEI hiring goes something like:
P1. There is a difference in opportunities available, not just outcomes, for some groups
P2. Those groups are equally capable of performing in the roles this lack of opportunity impacts
C. Opportunities should be directly extended to those groups impacted by this gap
If you believe that all gender and racial groups have the exact same access to opportunities, then DEI hiring/staffing/whatever will make no sense; you disagree with a core premise of their rationale.
If you assume a "brown woman" will naturally perform worse than a a more traditionally colored or gendered candidate, DEI hires will make no sense; again you disagree with a core premise of their rationale. |
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Are some of a gender or race, not able to be considered for an opportunity, equal to those of those who were considered ? Opportunities are made, not given.
Ya' know, DEI is just the same as affirmative action that SCOTUS struck down.
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cliffw
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SEP 04, 07:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Democrats do not think their policies are unpopular. In fact Democrats have been kicking Republican ass over the last few years in elections at both the State and National level. And although it is still too close to call Harris has moved up and passed Trump on most polls.
So it seems Republicans are the ones too stupid to understand.
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If you could step out and look at your posts, you would see the depths of your dillusions are deeply disturbing.
There is no path to victory for MagaMan.
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Democrats do not think their policies are unpopular. |
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Of course not. Dumbocrats love government cheese. Student loan forgiveness, $25,000.00 home buying credit, free ice cream, free health insurance, ...[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 09-04-2024).]
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BingB
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SEP 05, 08:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Why is a debate by Fox News not a legitimate debate offer ?
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Because it was never authorized by Fox News.
But the important point was that he tried to cancel the debate on ABC. He was trying to get out of it. He was doing exactly what 82TA was accusing Harris of doing.[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 09-05-2024).]
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BingB
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SEP 05, 08:34 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Of course not. Dumbocrats love government cheese. Student loan forgiveness, $25,000.00 home buying credit, free ice cream, free health insurance, ...
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Obviously you are unaware that the Trump administration's unfunded tax cuts cause deficit spending to DOUBLE over the Obama administration even BEFORE covid. All Trump did was run up the deficit to buy votes.
So maybe voters just don't like the massive financial crisis and 20 year Wars in the middle east the Republican administrations brought about.
Or maybe they don't like living in a Christians Theocracy that will force women to carry the babies of their rapists and deny equal protection under the law to homosexuals.
Or maybe they don't like footing the bill for permanent tax breaks to corporations while they only got temporary tax breaks.[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 09-05-2024).]
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