California legislature passes bill banning voter ID laws (Page 4/6)
BingB AUG 31, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
My my my, who was talking about proving you are a citizen. Oh yeah. YOU !


**EDIT** I have deleted my original reply because I made a mistake. I jumped to a conclusion when I read "provide ID" to mean "prove citizenship". When I am wrong I admit it. **EDIT**

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olejoedad AUG 31, 10:51 AM
Look at the title of the thread.
cliffw AUG 31, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:



11% of the genetically inferior dumb azzes never know anyone who can take them ? How do they get their government cheese ? Got to have a government ID to get government cheese.

Why do many citizens who have trouble making a trip to get government ID differ from of the other 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws ?
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cliffw AUG 31, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Voter ID laws don't solve any problem. There is no proof of widespread voter fraud involving people voting in place of other registered voters.



How many votes is wide spread ?

10 or so years ago I lost the only key to my travel trailer. Instead of paying a locksmith to come out, I went to a RV dealer. They sold me a "generic" which fit many locks. I could have mass reproduced it and gave it to many. Keys are not all that special. My riding mower key fits my John Deere tractor. What if I had a generic GM key ? I don't want to steal many Fieros, just yours.

One illegal vote steals my vote !
BingB SEP 01, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


How many votes is wide spread ?



You tell me. Since you are citing it as the reason to justify restricting citizens ability to vote you should be able to tell us how big the problem is.
cliffw SEP 01, 11:06 AM




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Originally posted by BingB: 8/29 1135 AM
Voter ID laws don't solve any problem. There is no proof of widespread voter fraud involving people voting in place of other registered voters.

But they do supress voter turnout among the poor. This benefits Republicans. That is why courts have struck down many laws requiring photo ID to vote.




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Originally posted by BingB: 8/29 12:11 PM
But only one party benefits from suppressing the vote of the poor.

Since there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud the law serves no purpose other than to benefit Republicans.

In order for a person to commit fraud in the manner he would first have to know the name of a registered voter that he knew would not vote. It is impossible to do this on any large scale. And that is why there has never been any proof of it happening on a wide scale.

That is why Courts that have studied the issue far deeper than just the random opinion of a poll manager have stricken down many voter ID laws.






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Originally posted by cliffw: 8/31 10:31PM


How many votes is wide spread ?

10 or so years ago I lost the only key to my travel trailer. Instead of paying a locksmith to come out, I went to a RV dealer. They sold me a "generic" which fit many locks. I could have mass reproduced it and gave it to many. Keys are not all that special. My riding mower key fits my John Deere tractor. What if I had a generic GM key ? I don't want to steal many Fieros, just yours.

One illegal vote steals my vote !



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Originally posted by BingB:
You tell me. Since you are citing it as the reason to justify restricting citizens ability to vote you should be able to tell us how big the problem is.



Can you not even remember two days ago ?

Are you daft ? When did I suggest justifying restricting citizens ability to vote you ask ? I never did. No one in this thread suggested that.

You say only Republicans benefit from voter ID laws. Yet provide no proof. How did these citizens who were denied their right to vote prove they were citizens ? Why is it that only the Leftoid enclaves citizens right to vote are impacted ?

Votes are private. How can anyone say only republicans benefit from voter ID ?
BingB SEP 01, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
When did I suggest justifying restricting citizens ability to vote you ask ? I never did. No one in this thread suggested that.




BY adding the burden of providing a photo ID you are restricting the rights of citizens that don't have one.

You justification for this restriction is a claim of widspread voter fraud that does not exist.

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BingB SEP 01, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

You say only Republicans benefit from voter ID laws. Yet provide no proof.


Yes I did provide proof. Voter ID laws have a bigger impact on the poor that generally vote Republican..

https://www.brennancenter.o...voter-identification

There is also this

https://www.nytimes.com/201...-political-gain.html

"in Wisconsin, Todd Allbaugh, 46, a staff aide to a Republican state legislator, attributed his decision to quit his job in 2015 and leave the party to what he witnessed at a Republican caucus meeting. He wrote on Facebook:

I was in the closed Senate Republican Caucus when the final round of multiple Voter ID bills were being discussed. A handful of the GOP Senators were giddy about the ramifications and literally singled out the prospects of suppressing minority and college voters. Think about that for a minute. Elected officials planning and happy to help deny a fellow American’s constitutional right to vote in order to increase their own chances to hang onto power."


"In Pennsylvania, the state Republican Party chairman, Robert Gleason, told an interviewer that the state’s voter ID law “had helped a bit” in lowering President Obama’s margin of victory over the Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in the state in 2012"


"Mike Turzai, the Republican leader of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, predicted the state's voter ID law would help Mitt Romney win there in 2012."

"Scott Tranter, a Republican political consultant for Mr. Romney and others, called voter ID laws — and generating long lines at polling places — part of his party's tool kit."




"Don Yelton, a North Carolina Republican Party county precinct chairman, told an interviewer for Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” in 2013 that the state’s voter ID law would “kick the Democrats in the butt.” Mr. Yelton later resigned; the party disavowed his statements."


"In Florida, both the state’s former Republican Party chairman, Jim Greer, and its former Republican governor, Charlie Crist, told The Palm Beach Post in 2012 that the state’s voter ID law was devised to suppress Democratic votes. Mr. Greer told The Post: “The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates. It’s done for one reason and one reason only,” he said. Consultants told him “we’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,” he said.

He added, “They never came in to see me and tell me we had a fraud issue. It’s all a marketing ploy.”


"As for Wisconsin’s law, two federal courts ruled this summer that the ID requirement disenfranchised citizens who had trouble obtaining an approved ID card — many of them minorities who vote Democratic.

Similar laws in North Carolina and Texas were struck down this summer by federal courts that called them racially discriminatory. A federal appeals court ruling in the North Carolina case concluded that that state’s election law had targeted African-American voters because they were overwhelmingly Democrats."
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 01, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

BY adding the burden of providing a photo ID you are restricting the rights of citizens that don't have one.





Yes, we've all heard this before... left-wing white people think blacks and Hispanics are too dumb to know how to use the internet, don't know where the DMV is, and believe all the brown people need the superior intellect of white leftists (with their non-technical liberal arts degrees) to understand how to live their lives. Spare me your conceited racism...

BingB SEP 01, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Yes, we've all heard this before... left-wing white people think blacks and Hispanics are too dumb to know how to use the internet, don't know where the DMV is, and believe all the brown people need the superior intellect of white leftists (with their non-technical liberal arts degrees) to understand how to live their lives




Two points.

1. You can't get a government issued ID over the internet. You have to travel there in person. Issues with transportation make it more difficult for the poor. It has nothing to do with being "too stupid". No democrat has ever said that. The right are the ones who are always claiming that poor minorities are too stupid to understand who to vote for.

2. It is not just people on the left claiming that these voter ID laws suppress votes in a way the benefits Republicans. I just listed half a dozen examples of REPUBLICANS admitting that these laws favor Republicans.