Something to ponder... (Page 4/10)
BingB MAR 24, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I have explained here many times that one of God's greatest gifts is freedom,.


And I have explained that his "gift" was useless in the United States for millions of people who were born into chattel slavery. Their right to freedom had nothing to do with any god. The government was the one who gave them their freedom.
williegoat MAR 24, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:

And I have explained that his "gift" was useless in the United States for millions of people who were born into chattel slavery. Their right to freedom had nothing to do with any god. The government was the one who gave them their freedom.



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Originally posted by williegoat:

Governments are not powerful enough to bestow rights, they can only infringe on them.



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Originally posted by williegoat:
This is why discussion with you is futile. I have already answered your questions. There is no reason for me to repeat myself. You are incapable of learning.
williegoat MAR 24, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
The government was the one who gave them their freedom.


This belief is why Leftists will never be free.
82-T/A [At Work] MAR 24, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
You would be wrong.

If rights came from God then everyone everywhere on earth would have the same rights.




So you've lost the abortion discussion, and now shifting to this.

Per the United States Constitution, our inalienable rights come from three sources:

GOD
NATURE
MAN

... period. Regardless what you believe, want to believe, or want it to be, this is fact in so far as this is what the U.S. Constitution states, and therefore, it is the law of the land in the United States. Why are you comparing other countries?



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Originally posted by BingB:

Then the United States government is clearly more powerful than your god. Millions of people lived here as slaves until the government set them free. The "rights" granted to them by your god was completely worthless.



"...until the government set them free"

Unbelievable. I question whether you actually think this way, or if you're just being a troll.

The government, in the United States, is derived by the people in the concept of a representative Republic. The "government" doesn't do anything, it's TOLD what to do. This is ALSO fact.
williegoat MAR 24, 02:30 PM
Years ago, I had a friend who's car had been stolen and found just a few blocks away. The cops speculated that some punks used it for a drive-by, then abandoned it.

By Fred's logic, some gangsters gave my friend a car.
BingB MAR 24, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


Per the United States Constitution, our inalienable rights come from three sources:

GOD
NATURE
MAN

... period. Regardless what you believe, want to believe, or want it to be, this is fact in so far as this is what the U.S. Constitution states, and therefore, it is the law of the land in the United States. Why are you comparing other countries?




God is not mentioned in the Constitution.

Try reading it yourself instead of just blindly parroting right-wing propaganda.



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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
"...until the government set them free"

Unbelievable. I question whether you actually think this way, or if you're just being a troll.

The government, in the United States, is derived by the people in the concept of a representative Republic. The "government" doesn't do anything, it's TOLD what to do. This is ALSO fact.




Okee Dokee. The PEOPLE told the government to end slavery. I agree with you on that.

But it still proves my point that people rights do not come from god.

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BingB MAR 24, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

This belief is why Leftists will never be free.




Who do you think ended slavery?
olejoedad MAR 24, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Yet people still kill each other.

I believe that based on the logic you have used in other threads this means that the Ten Commandments are a complete waste of god's time.



One of God's gift to mankind was the freedom to choose between good and evil.
olejoedad MAR 24, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
You would be wrong.

If rights came from God then everyone everywhere on earth would have the same rights. But they don't. A persons rights depend totally on the government jurisdiction over them.



We do all have the same rights, but government stifles them.
America's Constitution is written to place restrictions on Government to protect the rights that all humans are born to.
olejoedad MAR 24, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

Then the United States government is clearly more powerful than your god. Millions of people lived here as slaves until the government set them free. The "rights" granted to them by your god was completely worthless.



Nothing is more powerful than God.