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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 19, 11:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
If you were really in intelligence, then how did you feel about Trump taking Putins word over yours?
Were you insulted that your Commander in Chief trusted the President of Russia more than you?
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What are you even talking about?
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BingB
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FEB 19, 11:11 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
What are you even talking about? |
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All of the US intelligence agencies agreed that Russia hacked the DNC and interfered with the 2016 election. Trump flat out said that Putin told him he didn't do it and he was believing Vlad over US intelligence.
Did that offend you?
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 19, 12:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
All of the US intelligence agencies agreed that Russia hacked the DNC and interfered with the 2016 election. Trump flat out said that Putin told him he didn't do it and he was believing Vlad over US intelligence.
Did that offend you?
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What's going on here is... you're deflecting. You've lost whatever absurd argument you were making (I can't even remember now), and keep trying to go down a path to any point... literally any point where you can say "ah hah!!!" Meanwhile, the original point is completely lost... I really have no idea what your point is.
The intelligence community is made up of nearly 100k people across all agencies through varying clearance levels. The intelligence community also has a lot of information at its disposal. Not all of what's obtained is released. Sometimes the very thing we want released, is not... because the powers that be don't want it so. Many times, it's weaponized... such as the Russian Dossier that was funded by Hillary through a shell organization, and jointly supported through FBI engagement. In other cases, it can be outright constitutional violations, like the abuse of the NSA's FISA 702 capability from the FBI to perform warrantless wiretapping. You might recall then Admiral Rogers, DIRNSA, went to Trump Towers to report to Trump (after he'd won the election), that in fact the Obama administration had been spying on him, and most of his family for the greater part of a year. All precipitated by the Russian "dossier." Unfortunately, these organizations become as corrupt as the administrations they support, and in many cases refuse to do the things they're required to do on ideological grounds.
Never the less... you're going on a tangent, and aren't asking real questions now. I'm not willing to continue to pursue your theoretics on a subject where you're totally ignorant, and I'm a living breathing expert on the topic. It puts me in an uncomfortable situation where I have to answer stupid questions where I may not be allowed to... because I am true to my oath, regardless of political ideology.
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BingB
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FEB 20, 07:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
What's going on here is... you're deflecting. You've lost whatever absurd argument you were making (I can't even remember now), and keep trying to go down a path to any point.. |
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Sorry that you could not keep up, but I never veered from my original argument.
Trump trusted Putin over his own intelligence agencies. He praised the guy. He actually urged him to hack and release Clinton emails. Trump would not have done anything to stop him from invading Ukraine.
In fact he just re-iterated that point by "ENCOURAGING" Russia to attack other NATO countries.
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BingB
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FEB 20, 08:20 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
You might recall then Admiral Rogers, DIRNSA, went to Trump Towers to report to Trump (after he'd won the election), that in fact the Obama administration had been spying on him, and most of his family for the greater part of a year. All precipitated by the Russian "dossier."
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No. I don't recall that because it never happened. Got a link to your source for that claim?
BTW while I was trying to find some support for your story I came across this clip of Rogers complaining about how Trump sided with Putin and refused to condemn them for their cyber attacks.
https://www.c-span.org/vide...ian-hacking-efforts#
But I can't find anything about Rogers claiming Obama spied on Trump and his family for a year before the election.
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rinselberg
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FEB 20, 10:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
You might recall then Admiral Rogers, DIRNSA, went to Trump Tower to report to Trump, after [Trump had] won the election, that... the Obama administration had been spying on [Trump] and most of [Trump's] family for the greater part of a year. All precipitated by the Russian "dossier."
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Towards the end of March, 2017, in the early days of the Trump presidency, Admiral Rogers testified before Congress.
Rogers was appointed Director of the National Security Agency or DIRNSA a little over a year into Obama's first term as president, and continued in that capacity until the end of Obama's second term. He did not resign at the end of Obama's second term and was retained as DIRNSA by the newly elected President Trump.
Rogers denied a story that the NSA had asked its British counterpart, the GCHQ, to spy on Donald Trump during the national presidential election of 2016. Had that been true, it would have substantiated the claims that President Obama or other higher ups in the Obama administration had orchestrated the wiretapping of Trump Tower or some other kind of eavesdropping on Donald Trump. But Rogers denied it during his testimony before Congress.
This is a brief news report about it:
"Donald Trump wiretapping claims: NSA director [Mike Rogers] denies GCHQ was asked to spy on Trump Tower"
Tom Batchelor for the U.S edition of the U.K. Independent; March 20, 2017.
https://www.independent.co....-tower-a7639841.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-20-2024).]
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cliffw
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FEB 20, 11:02 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
All of the US intelligence agencies agreed that Russia hacked the DNC and interfered with the 2016 election. Trump flat out said that Putin told him he didn't do it and he was believing Vlad over US intelligence.
Did that offend you?
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Not me. Obama said there were 57 States.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 20, 12:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Towards the end of March, 2017, in the early days of the Trump presidency, Admiral Rogers testified before Congress.
Rogers was appointed Director of the National Security Agency or DIRNSA a little over a year into Obama's first term as president, and continued in that capacity until the end of Obama's second term. He did not resign at the end of Obama's second term and was retained as DIRNSA by the newly elected President Trump.
Rogers denied a story that the NSA had asked its British counterpart, the GCHQ, to spy on Donald Trump during the national presidential election of 2016. Had that been true, it would have substantiated the claims that President Obama or other higher ups in the Obama administration had orchestrated the wiretapping of Trump Tower or some other kind of eavesdropping on Donald Trump. But Rogers denied it during his testimony before Congress. |
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Sorry Rinse, I wrote that very poorly. At no point did I mean to suggest that Admiral Rogers directed anyone to do any spying on Trump. Admiral Rogers is a true patriot, and he's a really, really good guy. As I said... Admiral Rodgers went to Trump Towers to ALERT Trump that he had been spied on ... by the FBI. There's a process (which you can look up), by which the FBI uses NSA technology under specific authorities. The FBI (via the DOJ) spied on Trump, his family, and his team members multiple times through a very long period of time before and up to his inaguration. This is NOT up for discussion, it's already proven and confirmed, and an FBI agent actually went to jail for falsifying a FISA document (twice) which led to the authorization of it.
As for the GCHQ stuff... I know NOTHING about this silliness of GCHQ spying on Trump in Trump Towers? That is completely fabricated... and I'd be really interested in how they (whoever made that up) think it would even work. The United States would NEVER allow a foreign country's spy agency access to U.S. infrastructure.
Anyway, when I said "All precipitated by the Russian dossier," I was referring to really just FBI, DOJ, and a few members of the CIA. How deep that goes, or whether it was a select few people that had "strings pulled" is the question.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-20-2024).]
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BingB
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FEB 20, 02:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The FBI (via the DOJ) spied on Trump, his family, and his team members multiple times through a very long period of time before and up to his inaguration. This is NOT up for discussion, it's already proven and confirmed, and an FBI agent actually went to jail for falsifying a FISA document (twice) which led to the authorization of it.
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Some of Trumps campaign members were monitored due to allegations of collusion with Russia. But you said "Trump and his family". I don't think that ever happened. And it was not because of a "dossier". It was because of comments made by Trump campaign advisor George Papadopolus.
But I don't want to get lost picking at nits about little details. The big point I was making was that Trump chose to believe Vladimir Putin over the United States intelligence. And since you were in military intelligence I thought it would be interesting to get your opinion on that. Should the President of the United States believe the President of Russia over his own intelligence? Do you think that is proper?
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 20, 03:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Some of Trumps campaign members were monitored due to allegations of collusion with Russia. But you said "Trump and his family". I don't think that ever happened. And it was not because of a "dossier". It was because of comments made by Trump campaign advisor George Papadopolus.
But I don't want to get lost picking at nits about little details. The big point I was making was that Trump chose to believe Vladimir Putin over the United States intelligence. And since you were in military intelligence I thought it would be interesting to get your opinion on that. Should the President of the United States believe the President of Russia over his own intelligence? Do you think that is proper?
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No.... of course you don't...
Trump Spied On: https://www.wsj.com/article...t-filing-11644878973
... and Hillary had access to the data.
FBI lied in FOIA request (which means the request to wire tap): https://www.judiciary.senat...y-of-steele-dossier/
Used Steele Dossier to open FIOA requests: https://www.foxnews.com/pol...fisa-court-docs-show[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-20-2024).]
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