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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 08, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

It's much the same belief here in Canada. And being located right next door to the United States, our economies are incestuously intertwined, so we have a lot to lose if the Americans screw up.




The whole world has a lot to lose when the United States "screws up," but they also have a lot to gain, which is why wealthy foreign organizations and individuals are always trying to manipulate it. You manipulate the United States, and you manipulate the entire world. But eventually people get tired of being manipulated, and the country will lose its power as people pull away from what makes the United States powerful... our economy.

For me personally, after contemplating it a lot... I much prefer the idea of a winner takes all. It provides longer consistency... at least for 4 years, which is what business needs to be successful. But at the same time, I think the President's power has grown significantly... and this needs to be curbed. There is no concept of "executive order" in the U.S. Constitution. It's a made up concept that derives from the quote in the Constitution "...to faithfully execute the law."

To a large degree, a huge amount of our representatives have been manipulated through lobbying, which since the Supreme Court ruling of Citizens United, has resulted in what I view to be an undesirable effect that allows corporations to directly sponsor candidates. They should be forced to wear shirts bearing the names of their sponsors, like in Idiocracy.
BingB JAN 08, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

(His mistrust of middle easterners doesn't count. That's who bombed the WTC and who state, repeatedly, that they wish "death to us all".



Judging Muslims by Isis is like judging Trump supporters by the KKK. There are hundreds of thousands of Muslims living peacefully in the United States. There are thousands of them in the US military risking their lives to protect your freedom. There are thousands more across the country working as law enforcement officers, firemen, and first responders keeping you safe. None of these moderate Muslims wish "death to us all".

You are doing the exact same thing that liberals do when they point at the KKK as examples of Trump supports and Westboro Baptist Church members as examples of Christians.
Patrick JAN 08, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

But eventually people get tired of being manipulated...



Works both ways.
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 08, 06:02 PM
Also... I have no idea who Russel Brand is, he looks like a weirdo.
Raydar JAN 08, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

Judging Muslims by Isis is like judging Trump supporters by the KKK.
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Of course.
I purposely didn't say "Muslims". But something has to be in place to vet some of the individuals who want to come here. Not all of the Muslims want to kill us, but virtually 100% of the people who want to see us killed are Muslim. (Well... at least before we started helping Ukraine. Now there's a few Russians and probably Chinese, I'm sure. But those are not for theological reasons.)
But it's just like any other cross section of a population. The vast majority of just about any group of people are decent. Just want to live their lives and take care of their families. But it's the tiny minority who cause all the trouble, and make all the headlines. As distasteful is it seems to some people, on the face of it, those people need to be identified and stopped.

Right or wrong, stereotypes happen for a reason. So...

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BingB JAN 08, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Raydar:
Right or wrong, stereotypes happen for a reason, though. So...





So. . . what?

If a stereotype occurs for the wrong reason we need to oppose it, don't we?

Is it okay to call all Trump supporters racist because their is evidence that Trump encourages racism? He welcomed Confederate Battle Flags at he rallies. He welcomed the support of David Duke and the KKK. He supports avowed white supremacist Jayda Fransen. He said a judge could not be fair and impartial just because he was from Mexico. He tried to insult Obama by claiming he was Muslim. He asked for bans on Muslim immigration. That is an awful lot of evidence to support a stereotype. Does that make it okay and acceptable to label all trump supporters as racists?

I don't think so. As much as I dislike Trump I know that not all of his supporters are racists.

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Raydar JAN 08, 07:20 PM
I edited my post. A bunch. Please go back and read it and then comment, if you must.
BingB JAN 08, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

I edited my post. A bunch. Please go back and read it and then comment, if you must.


I agree with what you say.
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 08, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Works both ways.



Sigh, you're so biased, you think others are too, and you completely missed the point.
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 08, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
So. . . what?

If a stereotype occurs for the wrong reason we need to oppose it, don't we?

Is it okay to call all Trump supporters racist because their is evidence that Trump encourages racism? He welcomed Confederate Battle Flags at he rallies. He welcomed the support of David Duke and the KKK. He supports avowed white supremacist Jayda Fransen. He said a judge could not be fair and impartial just because he was from Mexico. He tried to insult Obama by claiming he was Muslim. He asked for bans on Muslim immigration. That is an awful lot of evidence to support a stereotype. Does that make it okay and acceptable to label all trump supporters as racists?

I don't think so. As much as I dislike Trump I know that not all of his supporters are racists.





Geeze... this is such a dishonest post. Clearly not meant to have any real conversation, but simply just spouting totally improper stuff to push a narrative while trying to pretend like you're dispelling a narrative.