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| How "American Dream" has killed the middle class (Page 4/15) |
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fredtoast
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SEP 22, 12:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
A few examples of laws that protect the "rich" from the poor: trespassing, workman's comp fraud, unemployment fraud, embezzlement, shoplifting, robbery, theft, kidnapping. |
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WTF?
None of those have to do with "rich" or "poor". The laws of fraud, trespassing, and theft apply to everyone equally. You can be living in government housing and still charge a person with trespassing if they refuse to leave your apartment. These laws were not designed specifically to address behavior of any class.
On the other hand the regulations I listed all apply to the power of wealth. Poor people don't organize monopolies, the elite wealthy do. Common laborers don't control working conditions in factories or mines, factory and mine owners do. Poor people don't run banks or investment houses, bankers and investment brokers do.
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Doug85GT
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SEP 22, 01:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
WTF?
None of those have to do with "rich" or "poor". The laws of fraud, trespassing, and theft apply to everyone equally. You can be living in government housing and still charge a person with trespassing if they refuse to leave your apartment. These laws were not designed specifically to address behavior of any class.
On the other hand the regulations I listed all apply to the power of wealth. Poor people don't organize monopolies, the elite wealthy do. Common laborers don't control working conditions in factories or mines, factory and mine owners do. Poor people don't run banks or investment houses, bankers and investment brokers do.
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And yet those laws disproportionately are used to prosecute the poor and minorities. Surely you have seen the news over the past four years. Cue some blue hair SJW, blah, blah, blah, blah, defund the police, blah, blah, blah, Black Lives Matter, blah, blah, blah, eliminate cash bail, blah, blah, blah.
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bonaduce
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SEP 22, 01:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Don't shut down the government just because you are part of a small minority who is not getting what you want.
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[sarcasm] But we have been told for the last several years that we have to listen to the small minority, why change now. [sarcasm off]
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fredtoast
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SEP 22, 04:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
And yet those laws disproportionately are used to prosecute the poor and minorities. Surely you have seen the news over the past four years. Cue some blue hair SJW, blah, blah, blah, blah, defund the police, blah, blah, blah, Black Lives Matter, blah, blah, blah, eliminate cash bail, blah, blah, blah.
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Again the point goes over your head.
The inequalities of enforcement are a totally different issue. I'll probably make a thread about that some time, but it has nothing to do with the point I was making. None of those laws were specifically designed to target the poor and protect the wealthy.
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Doug85GT
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SEP 22, 06:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Again the point goes over your head.
The inequalities of enforcement are a totally different issue. I'll probably make a thread about that some time, but it has nothing to do with the point I was making. None of those laws were specifically designed to target the poor and protect the wealthy. |
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Wrong. You leftists can't even keep up with the BS your side spews. Systemic racism trumps your unequal enforcement excuse.
Then there is the Occupy Wall Street movement which would vehemently disagree with your characterization that the government polices the rich.
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rinselberg
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SEP 22, 07:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
Wrong. You leftists can't even keep up with the BS your side spews. Systemic racism trumps your unequal enforcement excuse.
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What's that supposed to mean?
| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
Then there is the Occupy Wall Street movement which would vehemently disagree with your [fredtoast] characterization that the government polices the rich.
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And..?
Instead of having a conversation with the other forum member(s,) you want to wave a magic wand and turn them into the Occupy Wall Street movement.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-22-2023).]
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randye
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SEP 22, 09:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
WTF?
None of those have to do with "rich" or "poor".
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Define "rich".
Define "poor".
Do both of those without using any of the usual Leftist class resentment and envy.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 09-22-2023).]
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rinselberg
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SEP 22, 10:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Define "rich".
Define "poor".
Do both of those without using any of the usual Leftist class resentment and envy.
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Don't do it, fredtoast.
"Never let a 'rightist' frame a question."
RIGHTISTS GONNA RIGHTIST
 [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-23-2023).]
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ray b
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SEP 23, 12:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Define "rich".
Define "poor".
Do both of those without using any of the usual Leftist class resentment and envy.
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rich is the 10%
super rich is the 1%
controlling is the 0.001%
poor in the USA is more rent+food+normal cost of life = no thing left
minor job loss = homeless
raygun lied it never ever trickles down
it does gush up always hard and fast
be nice if you could post
b]without[/b] using any of the usual snark and hate
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fredtoast
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SEP 23, 11:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
Wrong. You leftists can't even keep up with the BS your side spews. Systemic racism trumps your unequal enforcement excuse. |
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I am sorry, but I do not even understand what you are trying to say.
All I said was that unequal enforcement was a completely different issue from what I was trying to discuss. The laws you mentioned were not passed to address a situation were a difference in class resulted in exploitation.
Tresspassing laws were not designed to protect a higher class from a lower class. On the other hand anti-trust laws were specifically designed to protect the general public from the class that has the power and wealth to form monopolies.
Theft laws were not designed to address any class difference. But child labor laws were specifically designed to protect poor children whose desperate financial conditions led to exploitation by business owners. And OSHA regulations were first designed to protect the class of people whose desperate financial condition forced them to work in dangerous conditions. Usury laws and SEC regulations were designed to protect the uneducated masses who were subject to exploitation by unscrupulous lenders.
I am talking about laws specifically designed to protect a certain class, none of the laws you mention fit that description.
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