Take another look. This belongs alongside Piltdown Man in the pantheon of "big time" frauds and hoaxes in the history of science. The miscreants behind the origination and online trafficking of this meme are about as relevant to the science of Sea Levels as ice berg lettuce.


"It's the LAND ICE, stupid!"




"Study reveals culprit behind Piltdown Man, one of science's most famous hoaxes"
Michael Price for Science; August 9, 2016.
https://www.science.org/con...s-most-famous-hoaxes


"This 1915 painting by John Cooke depicts scientists comparing Piltdown Man's remains to other species. Charles Dawson and Sir Arthur Smith Woodward stand next to each other toward the upper right." Credit: John Cooke Wikimedia Commons.

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rinselberg, I don't want you to think I don't love you. I am eyeball deep in things I must solve. I will never give up on intervening and trying to extract you from the Green Cult.

I am going to post this reply, even though it is not finished, to 'mark my territory.

Happy Holidays.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: ... because of how that other topic has been titularized.

Every word of the above sentence has a meaning, except the last one be it a noun, adjective, or a verb. What's up with your thread topic title ?
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Every word of the above sentence has a meaning, except the last one be it a noun, adjective, or a verb. What's up with your thread topic title ?

I did not suggest that meme had any scientific meaning. You suggest that I believe it does.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: What that would demonstrate, with the ice cube in a glass and filling the glass up with water (etc.) is that the total amount of sea water on the planet does not change because of sea ice—the ice that forms when it's so cold that the surface of the ocean freezes and covers offshore areas in the Arctic and Antarctic regions. These are the offshore ice packs and ice shelves. This is what ice-breaking ships have to deal with. When sea ice forms, it doesn't cause a negative contribution to sea levels. When sea ice melts it doesn't cause a positive contribution to sea levels. It doesn't affect sea levels.

That defies logic and physics, ! Are you calling 97% of the climate gods liars ? Your Uncle Al Gore said the icecaps at the North and South poles are melting, that Polar Bears and penguins will die. When sea ice forms, you are suggesting that it comes from mountain icecaps and other land ice ? Where does it get it's salt content ?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: Climate scientists are focused not on sea ice, but on land ice. That's the ice that covers areas of land. The glaciers in mountain regions all around the world, and the ice packs that have formed on land—conspicuously, the great ice packs that cover the continent of Antarctica and the large island of Greenland in the Arctic. These glaciers and land ice are seen by observations to be melting away at what many climate scientists say is an alarming pace. And when land ice melts and the melt water finds its way into the oceans, which is mostly what happens, that becomes a rise in sea levels all around the world.

I just said "alarming pace". It's an unnaturally rapid transition that most climate scientists believe is being mostly caused by us (humans) through everything we do that results in a net increase of planet-warming greenhouse gases in the atmosphere—conspicuously, carbon dioxide and methane—but there are some other greenhouse gases of concern, caused by people.

To model the melting of land ice, you should fill a glass with water all the way to its brim to represent sea water and then pour more water on top of that, to represent melt water from glaciers and ice packs on land. Or you could use an ice cube to represent land ice that is still frozen but goes into the sea as a glacier melts from below and flows downhill to the coastline—the "calving" of a new iceberg. Put an ice cube into the glass that's already filled to the brim with "seawater".

Either way, some of the water in the glass is going to be displaced and overtop the brim of the glass and flow downwards along the outer surface of the glass and collect on the surface of the table that supports the glass.

That's what happens when glaciers and land ice are thawed by warming temperatures and become melt water, or float out to sea, still frozen, as brand new icebergs—a rise in sea levels.

There's a second component to rising sea levels in a warming world, and that's the thermal expansion of seawater as its temperature goes up, but I've already said enough to explain that this "ice cube in a glass of water" experiment, as originally set up here by "sea level rise skeptic", does not contradict anything that climate scientists are saying when they talk about rising sea levels.
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I'll be back. Promise, !

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Much can be said about this cartoon or meme that just appeared (from Hudini).


But this meme is different. It's pure baloney. It comes from a place where there are people who are constantly going on about "the Left" and about how "the Left" is—among other things—ignorant of science, or anti-science. And what is it? It's those same people revealing their own embarrassing ignorance of science. It would be an embarrassment for them, if they ever realized the science fallacy of this "Ice cube" meme and if they were capable of the self-awareness that is a prerequisite for experiencing the emotion of embarrassment.

If people simply proclaim that they do not believe what many climate scientists are saying about rising sea levels, that's hard to argue with—but they reveal themselves as gullible people when they traffic in this ice cube meme or its likes.

Here's what this ice cube meme makes me:
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