Student loan debt... I'm frustrated. (Page 4/6)
rinselberg AUG 27, 01:08 PM

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That argument could be raised against almost every government program in existence. This is the nature of paying taxes and having a government: Your money goes to all kinds of things that don’t benefit you directly or that you don’t like. You pay to maintain national parks you might not visit, and to find cures for diseases you’ll never contract. You support schools even if you don’t have kids. You build roads in states you don’t live in. You support wheat farmers even if you’re on a gluten-free diet.

How many people complaining about loan forgiveness have campaigned against the mortgage interest deduction? It costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, and its recipients — homeowners who itemize their deductions — are disproportionately wealthy. Where are all the cries of “How does this help people who rent, or people who already paid off their mortgages???”
WonderBoy AUG 27, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg: That argument could be raised against almost every government program in existence. This is the nature of paying taxes and having a government: Your money goes to all kinds of things that don’t benefit you directly or that you don’t like. You pay to maintain national parks you might not visit, and to find cures for diseases you’ll never contract. You support schools even if you don’t have kids. You build roads in states you don’t live in. You support wheat farmers even if you’re on a gluten-free diet.

How many people complaining about loan forgiveness have campaigned against the mortgage interest deduction? It costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, and its recipients — homeowners who itemize their deductions — are disproportionately wealthy. Where are all the cries of “How does this help people who rent, or people who already paid off their mortgages???”


They're PURPOSELY bloating government that can't be sustained in ORDER to bring on the commie/Marxist way of life. You just won't admit you LOVE the idea of fully automated everything. Including citizens getting their arses stretched by your BS.

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blackrams AUG 27, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The Biden student loans forgiveness plan... some good, some bad. Many say there's more bad than good. But as with so many other government plans, policies and programs backed by one or both of the two major political parties or their leaders, some of the arguments being advanced against this Biden plan on student loans are risible (and that's not good.)

"The arguments against Biden’s loan forgiveness plan are terrible" (I would preface this with "Some of the arguments...")
Paul Waldman for the Washington Post; August 26, 2022.
https://www.washingtonpost....-terrible-arguments/

"Inside Waldman"



Some Good? Please advise me on how it's alright for all of us who paid off our student loans to now be responsible for another's student loan. This is not like any of the things mentioned below, in not one of those examples did an individual sign a contract to borrow money so that they didn't have to pay it back. Yeah, there's a lot of waste in government spending, that we can agree on but, tell me how this isn't simply just buying votes from signers of those contracts.


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Originally posted by rinselberg:

[QUOTE]That argument could be raised against almost every government program in existence. This is the nature of paying taxes and having a government: Your money goes to all kinds of things that don’t benefit you directly or that you don’t like. You pay to maintain national parks you might not visit, and to find cures for diseases you’ll never contract. You support schools even if you don’t have kids. You build roads in states you don’t live in. You support wheat farmers even if you’re on a gluten-free diet.

How many people complaining about loan forgiveness have campaigned against the mortgage interest deduction? It costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, and its recipients — homeowners who itemize their deductions — are disproportionately wealthy. Where are all the cries of “How does this help people who rent, or people who already paid off their mortgages???”

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Reference our tax codes, I've long held the belief that our tax codes are flawed and should be rewritten to be a flat percentage based tax, no deductions or write offs. Pick a percentage, doesn't matter what it, 10%, 20%, 30% or more. Everyone and I do mean everyone pays the same percentage. This is a vote buying scheme and we all know it. So, is this a one time thing or, will future generations get a free $10K? Those of us who pay our bills have a right to be pissed. Forum rules prevent me from truly venting how I feel about this!
I'm not real sure how Biden could have come up with a worse policy to further divide this country. I understand that some folks voted for "anyone" but Trump but, look at the idiot we got. Biden voters should be ashamed of themselves. Hell, I don't even like DJT as a person.

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Rams

Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.........

Wichita AUG 27, 08:04 PM
Valkrie9 AUG 28, 04:29 AM


The grift to impose onerous taxes on behalf of the dempartie, for the dempartie, billions directly into party coffers, a bribe tax, on you swindled and tricked deplorable suckers.
Tricked and sweet-talked out of your Nation by the lowest degenerates, the diddlers of the world, that need some medieval minded reciprocation, sooner than later.

' Hark !
A champion !
Sir De`Jay Trumpet of the Golden Hair !
A Worthy and Noble Knight, travelling far from the Palace of Mar a` Lago, far to the South of white sand beaches and warm waters.
He has sworn to rescue the damsel in distress, defeating the evil Prince of Darkness and Diddlers, the lunatic, who drinks the wines of the enemy, who sleeps in the enemy's tents. '
' Yea,
the hero of the people, a man of great courage and humor.
Bless him and many prayers upon him,
for he shalt slay the beasts of two backs and the murderers of infants, the insane adulterers of false worship. '
The horns were blown, the chargers snorted, the lance's tip is lowered to meet the future.
The plot thickens, the fools and clowns of the herald's company performed their acrobatics, opening the show, the really big show.
Valkrie9 AUG 28, 04:42 AM
Bread and circus', to make the tax more palatable, ' Mmmn, that's not so bad if you salt it well. '
' The price of tomatoes is rising, citizen,
octingenti denarius for a litre basket, what new tax will Lucius Aurelius Commodus
impose on us deplorable suckers ? '
Wichita AUG 28, 11:45 AM
Why is the price tag to the future generations to owe on this vote buying scheme keep going up?

First it was $150 billion, then when depends wearing septuagenarian made the announcement, the media said $300 billion hand outs to affluent white college graduates. Now today they are saying $500 billion?

Next thing you know it will be a Trillion, especially with all the waste, fraud and abuse that will come from it.

Since the government BORROWS $6.5 billion per DAY, I guess another $500 billion in handouts for votes to keep the dependent grifters and rent seeking racist elites hands in the pockets of taxpayers is just ok.

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Notorio AUG 29, 12:11 AM
I'm starting to think this might just be a brilliant 'bait and switch' vote gimmick: Dem leadership knows that this will eventually get torpedoed on Constitutional grounds but that won't happen until AFTER the midterms. So, this plan can actually give them a twofer ...

1) buy votes for the midterm, and
2) get a free talking point for 2024 about how the 'mean, dastardly Republicans' took away money from deserving college graduates, etc.'

But to temper my own cynicism, I have read a couple of articles discussing the point that NO ONE may have standing to take this Executive Branch Constitutional Overreach case through the courts.
Wichita AUG 29, 01:28 PM
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