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MidEngineManiac
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MAY 08, 07:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Prevention of a pandemic? That's a public concern that affects us all, and is best addressed by a wide-ranging governmental authority.
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NO, it is NOT.
All the other arguments and FACTS about the scam-demic and clot-shot aside, YOUR personal risk assessment over the virus is YOUR responsibility to accommodate (ie: If you are afraid of the flu, stay alone inside. it's that simple). It is NOT the responsibility of the entire country to give up their rights, freedoms and liberties to cater to your fears.
Unless you are some kind of leftie-libby who would also argue thousands of students should be banned from eating peanut butter because one or 2 might have a nut allergy. OH, yeh. Nevermind. 
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Patrick
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MAY 08, 07:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Can you not just admit that it's a good show? It was hilarious... one of the best low-budget shows I've ever seen. Being Erica was pretty good too, but too much relationship stuff in it.
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I enjoyed "Being Erica". I couldn't change the channel quick enough when "Trailer Park Boys" came on. Different strokes for different folks.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm not really concerned about masks and Canada because I have no intention of traveling there at the moment.
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There are no mask requirements for those of us living here. In regards to people travelling into the country, if any of the mandates have helped keep the infection rates down here, then I'm fine with it. Last time I looked, the COVID death rates per capita were three times higher in the States than in Canada, so apparently we're doing something right here. (Please don't go on and on now about how "inflated" COVID numbers are in the US. If it happens there, I'm sure it happens here as well. It all balances out.)[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-08-2022).]
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Patrick
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MAY 08, 07:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Unless you are some kind of leftie-libby who would also argue thousands of students should be banned from eating peanut butter because one or 2 might have a nut allergy. OH, yeh. Nevermind.
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As a matter of fact, I have had a very severe nut allergy, especially to peanuts, all my life. Did I go out of my way to have peanuts banned at school etc. No. As a matter of fact, peanut butter remained a staple of my mom and dad's diet all through my childhood, and was always on hand. Precautions were taken to prevent peanut butter from contaminating the margarine/butter dish, but that was about it.
So that kind of blows your theory all to hell that I would seek out and/or welcome rules and regulations and mandates for simply selfish reasons.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-08-2022).]
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Hudini
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MAY 08, 11:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Prevention of a pandemic? That is a public concern that affects us all, and is best addressed by a wide-ranging governmental authority.
Prevention of an unwanted birth? That is a private concern of the pregnant woman, who is (hopefully) able to utilize the services of medical professionals.
I can reconcile my views just fine.
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Since when is killing a human not a public concern? Last l heard murder is illegal.
Remember, abortion to a certain point in time is legal.
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Patrick
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MAY 09, 12:07 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
Since when is killing a human not a public concern? Last l heard murder is illegal.
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If you wish to argue that a mass of cells is "human", then we've reached an impasse.
Would you refer to these as frogs?
| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
Remember, abortion to a certain point in time is legal.
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And I hope it remains so.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-09-2022).]
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Hudini
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MAY 09, 01:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
If you wish to argue that a mass of cells is "human", then we've reached an impasse.
Originally posted by Hudini:
Remember, abortion to a certain point in time is legal.
And I hope it remains so.
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So far that is the law in all 50 states. The core argument is at what point is it an abortion or a murder? Conservative states have set it as low as 15 weeks (3.75 months) and liberal states have set it as high as up to crowning.
My argument with you is the hypocrisy of condemning restrictions on a woman's body (abortion) while accepting restrictions on a woman's body (vaccine mandate). You cannot simultaneously hold these two views without exposing yourself to ridicule.
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Patrick
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MAY 09, 01:49 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
My argument with you is the hypocrisy of condemning restrictions on a woman's body (abortion) while accepting restrictions on a woman's body (vaccine mandate).
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I'm not insisting that any woman be vaccinated.
I'm not insisting that any woman have an abortion.
I believe that men and women should be free to make their own choices about their own bodies, as long as they don't affect other people. And no, I don't regard a mass of cells to be a person.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 09, 10:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I enjoyed "Being Erica". I couldn't change the channel quick enough when "Trailer Park Boys" came on. Different strokes for different folks.
There are no mask requirements for those of us living here. In regards to people travelling into the country, if any of the mandates have helped keep the infection rates down here, then I'm fine with it. Last time I looked, the COVID death rates per capita were three times higher in the States than in Canada, so apparently we're doing something right here. (Please don't go on and on now about how "inflated" COVID numbers are in the US. If it happens there, I'm sure it happens here as well. It all balances out.)
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Where we disagree, is that you believe the government should take action to protect people, even if it means (potentially) violating their rights. I understand this, I completely do.
I personally believe that the government's role should be very limited... and that such actions can be strongly recommended, but that shouldn't necessarily impugn on my rights if I don't want to participate. I know you can say (in this case) that abortion is violating someone's right. I realize that, and I realize my hypocrisy in this. But from my perspective, I also believe that a baby has rights too. There is some level of personal responsibility that needs to occur. Almost every state has laws respecting abortion for rape or incest. Your or my feelings aside, I think every state will continue to maintain such law... even though this comes out to less than 1/10th of 1% of abortions.
I respect your opinion, I do... so I'm not trying to change your opinion. But I recognize that there are things such as "morning after" pill, where the collection of unfertilized frog eggs you showed above, would never become an actual fetus or grow into a human being. I believe that human life is a gift from God. It's an inherent believe that I feel strongly about. So much so that I am also against the death penalty. And while I did go to Afghanistan (war), I was there to protect people (I am not a soldier) as a cybersecurity engineer. That does not mean that if our country was invaded, that I wouldn't take up arms... but I would hate it.
My views are carefully thought out, and are not based on any particular "team sport" ideology. A lot of people disagree with me... there are plenty of people who want to adopt, including homosexual couples. Bottom line, everyone has a right to life... and those who are the most innocent, deserve the right to at least try. They are guilty of nothing... they've literally done nothing... about as innocent as you can get, and they certainly don't deserve the death penalty because in 95% of cases, the person simply had sex without birth control.
Anyway, that's my opinion... I respect yours, but now you know how I feel and that's not changing. I used to support abortion before I'd ever really thought about it. I also used to be for the death penalty before I ever really thought about it.
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As for being Erica, it was a pretty cool concept. When I re-watched it though, I realized how much of a slut Erica was, hahaha. When you watch one a week, you don't notice. But when you're watching them back to back, she had like 30 partners during the entire season, damn...
As for Trailer Park Boys... it's slapstick and ridiculous comedy, which makes it so funny. But I can understand why you would dislike it. Probably for the same reason why my wife (who's named Erica) hates Miami Vice. She's from Miami, and she believes it makes everyone think that Miami is a drug-infested **** -hole. So maybe you just don't like it... but possibly also because you think it gives a bad impression of Canada. Which it shouldn't... most people who see it know that Canada is not like that.
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Patrick
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MAY 09, 11:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
...the collection of unfertilized frog eggs you showed above
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What makes you think those eggs are unfertilized?
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 09, 12:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
What makes you think those eggs are unfertilized? |
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I don't know... doesn't really matter. I don't spend a lot of time looking at frog eggs. But just as I wouldn't go and try to mess up those eggs and squish them or whatever you might do... same reason why I wouldn't want to kill a human fetus.
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