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Patrick
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MAY 06, 06:45 PM
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I suspect a lot of men would have an entirely different view of being pro-choice if it was them who were pregnant and who were being forced to give birth against their wishes.
It's not enough that these men want complete control over the women in their own lives... they demand that women whom have nothing to do with them also be under their thumb.
People need to mind their own business.
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olejoedad
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MAY 06, 07:14 PM
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Anything to say about the men who married the woman and raised the family with her.
How about the men who just run out on their responsibilities?
An unwanted pregnancy is many times caused by wanted intercourse.
Perhaps some self restraint is in order in our modern society.
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Patrick
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MAY 06, 07:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Not to be crass, but either way, a life is lost.
One life innocent, the other life irresponsible...
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I guarantee there are male members of this forum who have impregnated women... and then just buggered off to let the woman deal with the consequences. This has been going on since mankind were apes... oh sorry, since Creation. Yet, by your own admission, the woman is written off as "irresponsible" if she had sexual relations, pregnancy precautions failed, and then doesn't wish to give birth. And if she dies while desperately trying to abort the pregnancy, so what eh? She's just an irresponsible tramp.
You might feel differently if it was your daughter, or your granddaughter slowly, painfully dying of septic shock. But hey, they would never ever have sex unless it was to have a child, would they? Of course not.
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MidEngineManiac
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MAY 06, 07:20 PM
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olejoedad
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MAY 06, 07:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I guarantee there are male members of this forum who have impregnated women... and then just buggered off to let the woman deal with the consequences. This has been going on since mankind were apes... oh sorry, since Creation. Yet, by your own admission, the woman is written off as "irresponsible" if she had sexual relations, pregnancy precautions failed, and then doesn't wish to give birth. And if she dies while desperately trying to abort the pregnancy, so what eh? She's just an irresponsible tramp.
You might feel differently if it was your daughter, or your granddaughter slowly, painfully dying of septic shock. But hey, they would never ever have sex unless it was to have a child, would they? Of course not. |
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Don't put words in my mouth Patrick. I didn't say any such thing.
And I guarantee there are men on this Forum that stepped up to their responsibilities.
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williegoat
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MAY 06, 07:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Perhaps some self restraint is in order in our modern society. |
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What a barbaric suggestion! Without government, how would we know what is allowed?
God gave us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Is there a hierarchical list? Are all people not created equal? Does God say that some lives have more privilege?
The right to life: who decides which life has more value?
The right to liberty: who decides who deserves the most liberty?
The pursuit of happiness: Now, that is what got some people in this predicament to start with.
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Patrick
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MAY 06, 07:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
And I guarantee there are men on this Forum that stepped up to their responsibilities.
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Of course there are... but how does that in any way help the women who weren't nearly so fortunate? How does that help the women who were promised the moon... and who then got the shaft... in more ways than one?
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Don't put words in my mouth Patrick. I didn't say any such thing.
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Well Joe, please explain then your use of the word "irresponsible". How is it supposed to be interpreted in your post? 
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Not to be crass, but either way, a life is lost.
One life innocent, the other life irresponsible, with the exception of rape.
You really show your hypocrisy, lamenting the 'possible' loss of life.
It would be pretty funny, if it weren't for it being such a life and death subject.
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[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-06-2022).]
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olejoedad
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MAY 06, 07:46 PM
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The baby's life is totally innocent, the woman has to bear some responsibility for the results of her actions, she had a choice - the innocent child does not. A comparison between the two parties in the equation.
There are many forms of birth control, many ways to check for pregnancy and morning after pills as well. Responsibility extends to after the fact, as well as during the act. How many women get 4 or 5 months down the road and go 'Oh, I'm pregnant'. Maybe not the responsible ones?
Abortion isn't going away, first trimester abortions before a heartbeat are acceptable by most jurisdictions.
The larger point is that the Supreme Court had no Constitutional provision to extend right of privacy legal interpretation to cover abortion.
The matter should rightfully, and Constitutionally, be the purview of the States.
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Patrick
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MAY 06, 07:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
...the woman has to bear some responsibility for the results of her actions
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...unlike the "father" who's buggered off.
Joe, I appreciate your stance, I really do. I myself am not in favor of abortion being used as a form of birth control. However, I defend a woman's right to control what goes on within her own body.
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Hudini
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MAY 06, 08:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
how many
how many will die
in the states that ban the option
as not everyone will be able to travel
so some the poorest will try the unsafest ways
and some will not survive
so how many
how many will this rule kill |
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Probably a whole lot less than the fetuses being killed by abortion.
No state bans the procedure now. Most want to set a reasonable limit of 24 weeks. The earliest viable birth so far is about 22 weeks.
Some states may ban all abortions in the future. If it's that important you should move to those states. Or use contraception.
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