California legislature passes bill banning voter ID laws (Page 3/6)
BingB AUG 30, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
Are the poor genetically defective and can not figure out how to get an ID, when it is easy and needed in everyday life ?



Your ignorance of the poor is staggering. If they don't have bread then they can eat cake, right?

https://www.brennancenter.o...voter-identification

The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.

More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.

1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

More than 1 million eligible voters in these states fall below the federal poverty line and live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. These voters may be particularly affected by the significant costs of the documentation required to obtain a photo ID. Birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20.

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Originally posted by cliffw:


How does the photo ID requirement only benefit Republicans ?




Because minorities and the poor generally vote Democrat.

Same as poll taxes. Remember how easy they were for everyone to meet?

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blackrams AUG 30, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
You just can't compare a person's right to enter a private entertainment venue with their right to vote.

Try suggesting that everyone has to prove they are a citizen before being allowed to own a gun. See if your side gets it then.



First, I didn't compare entering a private establishment to the right to vote but, many things require proof of age to have the ability to do many things. My own driver's license is what is used in this and the last three states I've lived in to prove who I am. That is even used in applying for a background check for a weapon purchase. Blowing smoke about the importance and use of IDs is not considering it's everyday need and use. Voters should have to prove who they are to vote.

While several states allow illegal aliens to get IDs and driver's licenses, those IDs are not acceptable to actually register to vote or to vote. Illegal aliens do not have the right to vote, read the Constitution about who are citizens.

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BingB AUG 30, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Blowing smoke about the importance and use of IDs is not considering it's everyday need and use.




It is not "blowing smoke". It is the way courts come to decisions. They use what is called a "balancing test". The more important or fundamental a right the higher the level of protection.

I am required to register my automobile and be licensed to drive it on the road. The reason there are no requirements like that on owning a gun is that the right to bear arms ir more important and fundamental than the right to drive a car on public roads.

Comparing voting to renting a hotel room just proves that you do not understand the issue at all,
BingB AUG 30, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Illegal aliens do not have the right to vote, read the Constitution about who are citizens.




I have never said that illegal aliens should have the right to vote in federal elections.


BTW where is that info on the busloads of unregistered voters that EVERYONE knows about? Since EVERYONE knows about them it should be pretty easy to find some source discussing them.
bonaduce AUG 30, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

I am required to register my automobile and be licensed to drive it on the road. The reason there are no requirements like that on owning a gun.




Not sure which state you are currently calling home, but here in NYS you absolutely need to provide a photo ID to purchase a weapon (long rifle or handgun). You are also required to show a photo ID to purchase ammo.
BingB AUG 30, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by bonaduce:
Not sure which state you are currently calling home, but here in NYS you absolutely need to provide a photo ID to purchase a weapon (long rifle or handgun). You are also required to show a photo ID to purchase ammo.


I believe only 3 states have permit to purchase laws like NY. And even those will be challenged since the SCOTUS ruling in Bruen.

And none of this invalidates the fact that one of the main reasons courts treat the registration and regulation of motor vehicles so differently from guns is the right guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment.

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cliffw AUG 30, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
You just can't compare a person's right to enter a private entertainment venue with their right to vote.

Try suggesting that everyone has to prove they are a citizen before being allowed to own a gun. See if your side gets it then.



My my my, who was talking about proving you are a citizen. Oh yeah. YOU !
ray b AUG 30, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The idea that requiring ID is voter suppression is absurd and transparent.



and they will big lie about it endlessly

your lie is absurd and transparent

the whole Gop plan is limit the vote as much as possible in every way they can legal or not
just their beloved JIM CROW updated and modernized
same old s[c]hit different day


that loser lost and will lose again this time just like the last time
and will lie about why he lost again this time just like the last time

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blackrams AUG 30, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
I have never said that illegal aliens should have the right to vote in federal elections.


BTW where is that info on the busloads of unregistered voters that EVERYONE knows about? Since EVERYONE knows about them it should be pretty easy to find some source discussing them.



This discussion is like talking to the southern end of a north bound mule. It's very apparent some just want to stir the pot. Will try to avoid future discussions with some. Enjoy stirring that pot.
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BingB AUG 31, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


This discussion is like talking to the southern end of a north bound mule. It's very apparent some just want to stir the pot. Will try to avoid future discussions with some. Enjoy stirring that pot.


Calling people out on blatant lies is not what I call "stirring the pot".

I believe in holding people responsible. That is the problem today. No one wants to take any responsibility for what they say.