Something to ponder... (Page 3/10)
randye MAR 23, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


It was WELL known, for a very long time, that this was a very poorly made court decision that was based almost entirely on activism, rather than constitutional logic.






Just a casual reading of Justice Blackmun''s writing for the majority in Roe v Wade exposes how wholly contrived the opinion was.

Justice Blackmun went to considerable length to discuss the medical history of abortion, the views of Persians, Greeks and Romans, and quoted two versions of the Hippocratic oath and early English authors dating to the 13th century.

What he DID NOT quote was any provision in the Constitution that protects abortion rights.

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cliffw MAR 24, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by williegoat:
Could the the judiciary be replaced by AI?



Which AI would you want to replace it with ? AI is just programed by the programmers agenda. Hopefully you know about AI changing skin color on historical figures.



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Originally posted by BingB:
You need to do a little research. In 1973 the SCOTUS ruled that the Constitution protected a womans right to have an abortion until the third trimester. No state could make a law to violate that right.



Tis you who needs to do some research. The US Constitution protected a woman's right to privacy, as mentioned.

A woman's right to have a abortion ? What about the father of the fetus.
cliffw MAR 24, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It was WELL known, for a very long time, that this was a very poorly made court decision that was based almost entirely on activism, rather than constitutional logic.



Correct ! Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg (the most left leaning Chief Justice I have ever known), held a lecture at University of Chicago Law School (Illoinois being a most left leaning State).

Casual observers of the Supreme Court who came to the Law School to hear Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg speak about Roe v. Wade likely expected a simple message from the longtime defender of reproductive and women’s rights: Roe was a good decision.

Those more acquainted with Ginsburg and her thoughtful, nuanced approach to difficult legal questions were not surprised, however, to hear her say just the opposite, that Roe was a faulty decision. Ginsburg and Professor Geoffrey Stone, a longtime scholar of reproductive rights and constitutional law, spoke for 90 minutes before a capacity crowd in the Law School auditorium on May 11 on “Roe v. Wade at 40.”
BingB MAR 24, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


I would argue that Rights come to a person from God.





You would be wrong.

If rights came from God then everyone everywhere on earth would have the same rights. But they don't. A persons rights depend totally on the government jurisdiction over them.
BingB MAR 24, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:


God also commands "Thou shalt not kill".





Yet people still kill each other.

I believe that based on the logic you have used in other threads this means that the Ten Commandments are a complete waste of god's time.

BingB MAR 24, 11:29 AM
I am not argueing that Roe V wade was the correct decision.

All I am saying is that the ruling prevented any law that would restrict a woman's right to an abortion up to the third trimester. That means her right to an abortion was protected.

If you claim he right to an abortion was NOT protected then tell me what a government agency could have done under Roe to prevent a woman from having an abortion.
williegoat MAR 24, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:

You would be wrong.

If rights came from God then everyone everywhere on earth would have the same rights. But they don't. A persons rights depend totally on the government jurisdiction over them.


You are wrong. All men are endowed by their creator with rights. Governments are not powerful enough to bestow rights, they can only infringe on them.
BingB MAR 24, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

You are wrong. All men are endowed by their creator with rights. Governments are not powerful enough to bestow rights, they can only infringe on them.


Then the United States government is clearly more powerful than your god. Millions of people lived here as slaves until the government set them free. The "rights" granted to them by your god was completely worthless.
williegoat MAR 24, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:

Then the United States government is clearly more powerful than your god. Millions of people lived here as slaves until the government set them free. The "rights" granted to them by your god was completely worthless.



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Originally posted by williegoat:

Governments are not powerful enough to bestow rights, they can only infringe on them.


This is why discussion with you is futile. I have already answered your questions. There is no reason for me to repeat myself. You are incapable of learning.
williegoat MAR 24, 11:40 AM
I have explained here many times that one of God's greatest gifts is freedom, which includes the freedom to do evil. Without that gift, we would be no different from ants and bees, that is to say socialists.