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fredtoast
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AUG 21, 04:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
What I will do is, when you say something totally retarded, I'll correct you, |
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Well you clearly can't do that is this case because I posted a link to prove I was correct. And you responded with an ad hominin attack and no facts at all to back up your position.
The main reason I don't have to resort to ad hominin attacks against you is because your actions speak louder than words. I just make posts with OBJECTIVE facts to prove you wrong, and that does it for me.
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williegoat
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AUG 21, 04:36 PM
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I have posted many articles and pictures here over the years, as well as personal experience from 18 years working for Weyerhaeuser Co., a pioneer in forest management. Your lack of knowledge and education is your problem, not mine.
Now run along and play.
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fredtoast
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AUG 21, 04:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I have posted many articles and pictures here over the years, as well as personal experience from 18 years working for Weyerhaeuser Co., a pioneer in forest management. Your lack of knowledge and education is your problem, not mine.
Now run along and play. |
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I have zero problems. I have links to back me up.
You are the one with the credibility issue here. You must think that you are still in the echo chamber where everyone automatically believes you as long as you tell them what they want to hear. That is not how it works here.
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fredtoast
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AUG 21, 05:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I recently posted in another thread here, that over 80% of wildfires in the US are human caused. Some are arson and others are carelessness.
Again, I have posted many times over the years that the increase in severity of wildfires is a direct result of misguided leftist policy.
All of this is preventable. All of this is the result of bad people. |
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If you worked for Weyerhauser then you agree that climate change has had a huge effect on size and frequency of forest fires, correct?
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rinselberg
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AUG 21, 05:03 PM
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"Amid Pine Mountain’s ancient trees, a forest ‘thinning’ project triggers protests"
Hayley Smith for the Los Angeles Times; August 1, 2020.
https://www.latimes.com/env...ental %20assessments.
What if the "Goat" (as ray b likes to say) were to critique this article that was published in the Los Angeles Times, as recently as August, 2020? I think that's fairly recent, in terms of how time flows in the context of forestry, wildfires and the logging industry.
I think I could provide a work-around if there are access issues.
Excerpts from the article have been posted in this thread, by fredtoast and myself, but not the entire article.
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Patrick
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AUG 21, 05:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Any of those maps are pretty much useless 1 day after they are published. Things just change too fast. The one I posted is from NASA a couple weeks ago.
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That map does not represent the wildfire situation from "a couple weeks ago". Look where the bulk of the fires are located on that map... the southern hemisphere! It stands to reason that wildfires are more prevalent during hotter, dryer summer months. Guess what, it's presently winter down there! Again, without context, that map is utterly useless.
How about giving us some info (a link) about how/where you found this map... something that would allow us to make some sense of it. For example, why does the map show almost the entire island of Madagascar off the east coast of Africa to be on fire. This makes no sense.
[EDIT] I found a web page where MEM might've got that image from... Here. The date of the article appears to be 09.24.10 and there is no date regarding the actual image... and nothing to explain what exactly it represents... other than "fires around the world".[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-21-2023).]
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Patrick
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AUG 21, 05:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Just politely asking... is the inference being made here that all of this is as a result of global warming?
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The only "inference" I was making was that the map that MEM posted without any context was useless. What was it supposed to represent? It certainly isn't current by any means. Is it six months old or six years old or what?
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The global temperatures, if we're taking at face value what everyone has said, has grown an average of 1.2 degrees over the past 100 years or so. Which by any common sense is not enough to do literally anything.
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Have you ever lit a campfire? Did it make a difference how easily that fire started due to the ambient temperature? No, it didn't. What does make a huge difference is the dryness of the kindling. Combine a slight increase in global temperatures with widespread changing weather patterns... ie less rain and/or drought... and forests (or even just bush) become tinder kegs.
Here on the we(s)t coast, Vancouver used to have rain all year, every year. Now we have water restrictions in the summer. Now our lawns are brown all summer. This started maybe 20(?) years ago, and it's getting much worse. I don't know what's responsible for this change in weather patterns, but it is occurring... and anyone who says it's not happening is in acute denial.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 08-21-2023).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 21, 07:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Have you ever lit a campfire? Did it make a difference how easily that fire started due to the ambient temperature? No, it didn't. What does make a huge difference is the dryness of the kindling. Combine a slight increase in global temperatures with widespread changing weather patterns... ie less rain and/or drought... and forests (or even just bush) become tinder kegs.
Here on the we(s)t coast, Vancouver used to have rain all year, every year. Now we have water restrictions in the summer. Now our lawns are brown all summer. This started maybe 20(?) years ago, and it's getting much worse. I don't know what's responsible for this change in weather patterns, but it is occurring... and anyone who says it's not happening is in acute denial.
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On global warming specifically... my argument has been that we seem to be basing A LOT on only ~150 years of climate history. When you look at carbon dating and go back millions and millions of years, the temperatures fluctuate wildly to the point where you have almost total dry desolation, to an ice age, to moderate temperatures, and back and forth. We can obviously say the Earth is warming, and show a 1.2 degree increase over the past 150 years... but that does not correlate at all that the whole Earth is dryer. Florida is having an unusually higher precipitation the past couple of years, more than say just a few years ago.
Point I'm trying to make is that something with a history of over a billion years, you cannot look at 150 years of data and then claim everything is global warming (not saying you are doing this). When I lived in San Antonio, it snowed all three years I lived there, and people told me this hadn't happened since the 70s.
And yeah, I've been camping plenty of times, but also just running a fire pit in my backyard. My wife doesn't like to camp, so it's not something I get to do very often anymore... :/
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MidEngineManiac
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AUG 21, 08:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Have you ever lit a campfire? Did it make a difference how easily that fire started due to the ambient temperature? No, it didn't. What does make a huge difference is the dryness of the kindling. Combine a slight increase in global temperatures with widespread changing weather patterns... ie less rain and/or drought... and forests (or even just bush) become tinder kegs.
Here on the we(s)t coast, Vancouver used to have rain all year, every year. Now we have water restrictions in the summer. Now our lawns are brown all summer. This started maybe 20(?) years ago, and it's getting much worse. I don't know what's responsible for this change in weather patterns, but it is occurring... and anyone who says it's not happening is in acute denial.
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I agree it's happening.
Sydenham river dindt freeze over at all last winter, 1st time in my memory no ice fishing. When we were kids dad used to drive us 4 hours just to go ice-fishing on that river that is now 30 yards away. Entire great lakes basin is having some WIERD stuff from what we are used to. No denying it is happening.
My doubts are it is man-made. It's a cyclic way the planet works and the records going back thousands of years arent near complete enough to nail down the pattern.
There is LOTS of evidence for it, from the water erosion on the Sphinx in Egypt to medieval records that survived. To the Piri Reas map....
Yes the planet changes. No it aint a pickup-truck or cow fart doing it.
And why the fruck climitards so worried about it ? Planet was here long before you arrived and will still be here long after you are gone. Nuttin ya can do about it.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 08-21-2023).]
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williegoat
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AUG 21, 08:46 PM
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