OK, here's a question: Left or Right? (Page 3/5) olejoedad DEC 21, 07:03 PM I'm speaking in legal and Constitutional terms only. People have different legal rights that do governmental units. The body of the Constitution does not address secession. cliffw DEC 21, 07:58 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: The War was started by the secession of the State of South Carolina, and the firing on Fort Sumter by rebel troops. quote Originally posted by williegoat: olejoedad had it right. Somewhere, at some time, you both lost sight of the US Constitution. Specifically guarantying our God given inalianable right to assembly. I contend that this gives us the right of freedom to disassemble. Also, when those people plead the 5th Amendment, I would plead the 1st Amendment, freedom of speech. Freedom of speech also means freedom not to speak. cliffw DEC 21, 08:02 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: The South did not have the right to secede from the rest of the states. Currently, no state has the right to secede. See Texas v White I recommend you investigate Texas v White. That case addressed the legal legitimacy of Confederate money Texas wanted to use to pay ... whatever it was. Do you think that joining the United States is like entering a hog trap ? olejoedad DEC 21, 08:20 PM Yes, you are partially correct. Quoted from Wikipedia.... "Texas (and the rest of the Confederacy) never left the Union during the Civil War, because a state cannot unilaterally secede. US Treasury bond sales by Confederate Texas during the war, originally owned by pre-war Texas, were invalid, and the bonds were therefore still owned by the post-war state." cliffw DEC 21, 08:38 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: ... a state cannot unilaterally secede. 1st, why not ? Who says so ? 2nd, it was not a unilateral secession. olejoedad DEC 22, 08:19 AM Perhaps you should investigate the answers to your very astute questions. cliffw DEC 23, 09:16 AM quote Originally posted by cliffw: 1st, why not ? Who says so ? 2nd, it was not a unilateral secession. quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Perhaps you should investigate the answers to your very astute questions. What would be the point ? I am from Texas. This is not a subject that I have not spent much time investigating, discussing, and debating. Again, I ask you, who says a State can not unilaterally secede ? That was not argued before the US Supreme Court. Where in the US Constitution is secession mentioned ? Where in the US Constitution does it allow US Supreme Court Justices, to "make law", rights ? See Roe vs Wade. The case is an interesting one. The Constitution does have an admissions clause. The Admission to the Union Clause does forbid the creation of new states from parts of existing states without the consent of all of the affected states and that of Congress. Again, another interesting discussion. The United States of America celebrates when others choose their own destiny, when it happens, elsewhere. We now allow divorce, without fault. We allow Union thugs to stop what they signed up to do. By strike, if necessary. I say, every State should have the same freedom. cliffw DEC 23, 09:54 AM I say, ... When the Federal Government we joined does not protect us from an invasion of illegal aliens, when they attract the invasion of illegal aliens, and then want us to pay for that cost, ... Screw you. olejoedad DEC 23, 12:42 PM quote Originally posted by cliffw: I say, ... When the Federal Government we joined does not protect us from an invasion of illegal aliens, when they attract the invasion of illegal aliens, and then want us to pay for that cost, ... Screw you. I don't disagree with you. rinselberg DEC 23, 06:13 PM "Yes, that's him. He's visited me every night this month, whenever I sleep. It's a nightmare! But one of those upper teeth in the very center of his mouth is a gold one."