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blackrams
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NOV 19, 09:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I wonder if Ron (blackrams) and yourself (olejoedad) are a bit "chippy" about the midterms? As in "chip on your shoulder."
It's not as if either of you haven't dissed my "blathering" before, but this seems a little "extra".
It certainly wasn't a Blue Wave, but I'm surprised that the Democrats were able to retain at least their half share of the Senate (50 seats) and even more surprised at some of the successes for the Democrats at the state level. Michigan. Pennsylvania. Maryland. Minnesota, I think.
On a forum (this "Politics & Religion" section) where new remarks of any kind are not that common, it seems ironic that anyone would not openly welcome new remarks, even if they do not agree with the ideas or the sentiments that are being expressed.
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First, let me say this: Only my friends call me Ron.
Secondly, my comments have absolutley nothing to do with the mid-terms or anything else other than, your BS postings.
I don't believe in lying. I rarely read your posts and when I do, I almost always come away wondering what the hell you are thinking.
Not intended as an insult, we simply live in different worlds (I think).
Rams
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rinselberg
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NOV 19, 10:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
First, let me say this: Only my friends call me Ron. Secondly ["Second" is preferable, having already started with "First"] my comments have absolutley [sic] nothing to do with the mid-terms or anything else other than [misplaced comma] your BS postings.
I don't believe in lying. [Ergo] I rarely read your posts and when I do, I almost always come away wondering what the hell you are thinking. . . . |
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Something prompted "blackrams" to enter this thread.
But he doesn't have to go away wondering what I was thinking, because, having already explained it, it's become easier for me to explain in even fewer words. And who doesn't like fewer words? Mr. "blackrams", especially.
The reason that the "Water and Ice" meme fails is that it starts with the ice cube already floating in the glass of water. The ice cube displaces the volume of water that is equal to its mass and that is part of the water level in the glass. When the ice cube melts, it just becomes part of the water, and since the phase transition of the ice cube from solid ice to liquid water does not change its mass, the water level in the glass does not change.
This has been seized upon by certain misinformed people (or miscreants) to traffic this meme on the Internet and claim that this simple experiment disproves that a warming planet implies higher sea levels.
But the meme is not science, because it starts with the ice cube already floating in the glass of water, and so, it only represents what climate scientists call "sea ice".
What about land ice? The experiment would have to start, not with the ice cube already floating in the glass of water, but with the ice cube still in the freezer, or in the hand of the experimenter, before she drops it into the glass. That would cause the water level in the glass to rise, proportionate to the mass of the ice cube.
That's only the phase transition. There's also the thermal expansion of seawater...
I guess this is "blackrams" lucky day.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-19-2022).]
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IMSA GT
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NOV 20, 12:14 AM
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I agree, the ice cube test is bull but that's the new society we have. No education and no desire to research anything on their own so if it's posted on the internet it HAS to be true, right?
When this melts, levels will rise.
I was also reading that the tallest glacier is over 24,000 feet high so I would imagine if that melts, there would be an increase in sea levels.[This message has been edited by IMSA GT (edited 11-20-2022).]
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USFiero
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NOV 20, 09:33 AM
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The Earth has had a lot more and a lot less (at times none) ice on it alongside abundant life.
I consider the whole polar ice caps/glaciers disappearing topic a non-issue. We could put the land surface to use.
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cliffw
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NOV 20, 02:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I rarely read your posts and when I do, I almost always come away wondering what the hell you are thinking. |
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I rarely reply to them. At first, I thought I was educating. What the hell was I thinking ?
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The reason that the "Water and Ice" meme fails is that it starts with the ice cube already floating in the glass of water. |
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Ah, now you are making less sense. You believe the glaciers were there before the water ? They were not. They happened because of the water. Duh ! For those glaciers to form, it came from the water. Now, it is going back. Big deal. What's your gripe,  ?
Do you know what the specific gravity weight of fresh water per gallon is ? I thought not. I would not think that you would know what the specific gravity of salt water is. Do not google.
| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
I agree, the ice cube test is bull but that's the new society we have. No education and no desire to research anything on their own so if it's posted on the internet it HAS to be true, right?
When this melts, levels will rise.
I was also reading that the tallest glacier is over 24,000 feet high so I would imagine if that melts, there would be an increase in sea levels.
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I never argued that there was no effect. Are you arguing that when an ice cube in a glass, when topped of to the top with water, melts ... that it will not over flow the glass ? How could that be ? I know why it doesn't. Do you ?
Have you tried the test ? Perhaps it has to do with condensation. I know my beer cans condensate and leave water rings on my fine furniture. No mater full it is.
Follow the science. Think about the logic of the science "theory". Hypothesis.[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 11-20-2022).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 20, 04:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Ah, now you are making less sense. You believe the glaciers were there before the water ? They were not. They happened because of the water. Duh ! For those glaciers to form, it came from the water. Now, it is going back. Big deal. What's your gripe, ? |
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It is perhaps inevitable that at some future time, all the ice on earth will be gone and all of the water that was in it will have become seawater, translating into higher sea levels all around the world.
Climate mitigation is an idea that emanates from climate science research, that this "water world" doesn't have to be any time real soon. Many climate scientists believe that reducing the amount of greenhouse gases—a list of gaseous chemical compounds headed up by carbon dioxide as the "big kahuna"—will be enough to preserve the current climate regime roughly as it is today for at least some hundreds of more years, instead of a climate that's been radically transformed in just a few more decades.
| quote | | There is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere now than at any time in at least 4 million years... Humans pumped 36 billion tons of the planet-warming gas into the atmosphere in 2021, more than in any previous year. It comes from burning oil, gas and coal. |
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"Carbon Dioxide Levels Are Highest in Human History"
Henry Fountain (of information) for the New York Times; June 3, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...-dioxide-record.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-20-2022).]
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Valkrie9
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NOV 21, 06:20 AM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 21, 08:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The seawater that's displaced when meltwater or glacial ice flows from land into the seas is a measure of how much water has been added to the oceans and how much of a contribution it makes to higher sea levels all around the world. It's the mass (essentially, the weight) of the meltwater or glacial ice that is significant, not the volume.
For for an equal mass of water or ice, the effect on sea level is the same, whether it is densely packed glacial ice with hardly any air bubbles, or ice that is less dense (because of air bubbles) and comprises a comparatively larger volume. |
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Just so we're clear, because I'm not really sure if you understand what I'm saying. When ice has less air in it (e.g. glacial ice), it will have MORE weight / mass than ice of the same overall volume. Just wanted to make sure we were in agreement here. Because as I said, as a result of the extreme pressure... iceberg ice from a glacier is extremely dense... essentially like glass, and therefore it has more mass to it.
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rinselberg
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NOV 21, 08:17 AM
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Ha, just happened to be looking at the forum when you suddenly appear.
Yes. We're in agreement. There is no difference between what I said (where you just quoted me) and what you just said yourself.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 21, 08:23 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Ha, just happened to be looking at the forum when you suddenly appear.
Yes. We're in agreement. There is no difference between what I said (where you just quoted me) and what you just said yourself. |
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Heh, good morning then!
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Horse Apples !