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williegoat
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JUL 06, 07:42 AM
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There are ideological groups which provide a haven for these people, nazis, ecoterrorists, anarchists; but these people went defective and then chose their outlet. They were not "radicalized" by an ideology. They were already broken.
Stop producing "angry young men" and the nazis, antifa, et al will evaporate. There will be no one to replenish their ranks.
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Wichita
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JUL 06, 08:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
There are ideological groups which provide a haven for these people, nazis, ecoterrorists, anarchists; but these people went defective and then chose their outlet. They were not "radicalized" by an ideology. They were already broken.
Stop producing "angry young men" and the nazis, antifa, et al will evaporate. There will be no one to replenish their ranks. |
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I'm not for sure if we really know how to do that.
Our prison system is full of millions of angry men. We kill each other in mass during times of war and because of arbitrary street turf because of angry men. Bullies are abound from workplace, school boards to the President are angry men.
We all seemed to point to the root of what is producing "angry young men". It's the music, it's the parents or lack thereof, it's (insert political party or ideology), it's the (race), it's the schools, it's the .....
Currently many people think that what will stop this is to ban the sales of guns, confiscate all remaining guns, make gun ownership illegal, pack the court and put Trump in jail. At least that is what the media is parading to us.
Maybe they are right. I have no idea on how to solve these acts of violence or to stop producing "angry young men", which happens all the time (not just mass media publicized). Maybe we should just ban guns and make it illegal.
If it isn't guns, it would be explosives, arson, knives and hatchets.
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williegoat
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JUL 06, 09:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
I'm not for sure if we really know how to do that.
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Of course we don't know how to do that. But when we blame guns, or Trump or pineapple pizza, we stop trying to solve the problem. We say "ban guns", then walk away, feeling like we have done our part. We have accomplished nothing.
Traditional values are tradition because they work. They have stood the test of time. Those who want to try failed ideas, over and over, believe they are being clever, but the truth is that they just lack experience.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 07-06-2022).]
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rinselberg
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JUL 06, 11:40 AM
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I found the solution.
"SchoolPulse is helping high schools fight America’s teenage mental health crisis—one [mobile phone text message] at a time"
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| quote | . . . Utah-based SchoolPulse is doing everything it can to combine technology, therapy, and positive psychology to ensure that school connectedness grows. Through this platform, teens can access real-time professional mental health guidance, suicide prevention, and positive psychology messaging.
“We help build and save lives, principally among our students in grades 7-12. We do that by being where the students are—on their phone,” says Colby Jenkins, CEO of SchoolPulse.
SchoolPulse is a text-based Response-to-Intervention (RTI), Social and Emotional Learning (SEL), and Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) platform, Jenkins says. “The term PBIS is important for educators when referring to mental health concepts, training, systems, etc. PBIS is an evidence-based three-tiered framework to improve and integrate all data, systems, and practices affecting student outcomes every day. We help educators fulfill and meet their PBIS requirements.”
The St. George-based company was co-founded in 2017 by licensed therapist Iuri Melo and software engineer Trent Staheli and currently works with schools in 15 states. To interact with SchoolPulse, students of participating schools scan a QR code unique to their school that automatically “enrolls” them in the text-based system. Three times a week, SchoolPulse sends out positive psychology messaging. . . .
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Heather Beers for Utah Business; May 6, 2022.
https://www.utahbusiness.co...ental-health-crisis/
The Highland Park perpetrator and the other recent and less recent perps... just born too early. Before SchoolPulse is finished building out and establishing itself in all schools, from coast to coast.
OK... not being fully serious. (Surprise.)
Just something I stumbled upon as I was sitting here, having an Internet browse and coffee.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-06-2022).]
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MidEngineManiac
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JUL 06, 11:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Of course we don't know how to do that. But when we blame guns, or Trump or pineapple pizza, we stop trying to solve the problem. We say "ban guns", then walk away, feeling like we have done our part. We have accomplished nothing.
Traditional values are tradition because they work. They have stood the test of time. Those who want to try failed ideas, over and over, believe they are being clever, but the truth is that they just lack experience.
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My take on it, maybe just phrasing the same concept differently, it's a control/freedom issue. Also, "Traditional values" vary by demographic. A Cristian's traditional values are not the same as a Muslims, rural residents are not the same as urban. By forcefully mixing all those different traditions conflict is created. Look back just 20 years in any major city. Every single ethnic/religious group had their own neighbourhood, and the concept has worked fairly well for hundreds if not thousands of years. NOW we cant have that, we are forced to be "inclusive" and "accommodating" and "accepting" to the point we cant be ourselves anymore.
Add in turning every single one of us into fully controlled slaves with millions (literally) of laws, enforced by brutal jackboot thugs (actually, enemy troops at this point) at the point of the gun and nightstick. Look at all of the "licences" we didn't need 20 or 30 years ago compared to now. We are at the point we have so little freedom we need permission to use words and approval to think.
EVERY single animal will lash out and attack if confined and tormented too much too soon. It took thousands of years to "domesticate" the few species we have done successfully, and even then they are not 100% tamed, attacks happen.
Humans are just bipedal animals, no different in that regard than any other animal.....and TPTB have tried that "domestication" within 2 generations. Too much restraint too fast and just like any other animal this is the result.
So these brilliant progressives have taken away the comfort and security of human's tribal nature by force and created constant tension and conflict. They have taken away virtually all freedom and initiated the "fight response", and then they have exposed us to a constant stream of televised brutality showing us what will happen if we dare disobey, resist, or refuse to comply instantly. Zero hesitation permitted. Plus proven time and time again they are some sort of elite ruling class exempt from the very conditions they enforce on us.
What did they really think would happen. It's called a powderkeg.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 07-06-2022).]
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MidEngineManiac
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JUL 06, 11:34 PM
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rinselberg
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JUL 07, 10:48 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
My take on it... Look at all of the "licences" we didn't need 20 or 30 years ago compared to now. |
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What licenses? How many licenses are you burdened with now, that you wouldn't have had to put up with 20 or 30 years ago?
The Covid vaccine? That's one. It can be a hassle for someone who doesn't want to get the Covid vaccine. But beyond that..?
If it was so great, 20 or 30 years ago, or 200 or 2000 years ago... why did it go downhill? Whatever it was, back then, it already had within it the seeds of its own destruction.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-07-2022).]
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MidEngineManiac
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JUL 07, 12:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
What licenses? How many licenses are you burdened with now, that you wouldn't have had to put up with 20 or 30 years ago?
The Covid vaccine? That's one. It can be a hassle for someone who doesn't want to get the Covid vaccine. But beyond that..?
If it was so great, 20 or 30 years ago, or 200 or 2000 years ago... why did it go downhill? Whatever it was, back then, it already had within it the seeds of its own destruction.
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Fishing, recreational boating didn't exist, gun and hunting were MUCH simpler, pilots were much simpler, driving was much simpler. Thats just off the top of my head in 3 seconds
WHY it went downhill ? #1 cash-grab, #2 idiots afraid of their own shadow trying to make the world a "safe space" and #3 self-serving power-grabbing goobernment types giving themselves more power and job security.
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rinselberg
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JUL 07, 11:09 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Fishing, recreational boating didn't exist, gun and hunting were MUCH simpler, pilots were much simpler, driving was much simpler. Thats just off the top of my head in 3 seconds
WHY it went downhill ? #1 cash-grab, #2 idiots afraid of their own shadow trying to make the world a "safe space" and #3 self-serving power-grabbing goobernment types giving themselves more power and job security. |
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I don't see that "regulatory overload" is behind the recurrence in the U.S. of mass murders or mass murder attempts, or the lower profile murders and assaults that are an everyday occurrence in the U.S. in every well populated area from one coast to the other.
The other ideas that MEM was talking about, about more cultural diversity and more integration into the same neighborhoods of people of different ancestries, skin colors and religious affiliations...I can't say I agree with MEM that this is turning the U.S. into a "powderkeg", but at least it has some possibilities for discussion.
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MidEngineManiac
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JUL 08, 02:01 AM
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It's (smaller, but there) part of the stress, irritation and aggravation of the overall all picture.
Ever had a bad day that starts with one tiny thing (your boss telling you to straighten your tie), then every little thing irritates you more, and by 5pm ya have snapped and cant even fart without sharting ? And hate every single thing on the planet ?
Same principal. It used to be called "Going Postal"
All these control (licencing/safety/security) schemes are just one more thing added on the path to snapping. One more irritation that wasnt needed.
We ALL have those days. Not all of us go all Rambo-John-J over it but some do. (Most of us stick to Road Rage  ). TRIGGERED and had-****in-enough.
Remove those 'triggers" to past levels, or at least some of them and the problem will reduce to past levels. Remember, at that point you are no longer dealing with rational thought. You are dealing with emotional and vengeful concepts. Self-defence. Remove the irritants. So what happens when the whole damn world is an irritant ? Personally, I said "fuk ya'all, dont need ya" and turned into a quasi-hermit. These shooters dont, they have gone past the "hermit" point into thinking there is no escape.
At least I think.
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Interesting chart. https://www.statista.com/st...shootings-in-the-us/
and https://gunsources.com/2022...istics-list-by-year/
and https://time.com/4965022/de...shooting-us-history/
Could it be the problem is the media and "evil gun" hype is one hell of a lot more than the past ?[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 07-08-2022).]
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