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williegoat
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FEB 19, 12:33 PM
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This is 20 miles ahead of the crash, and it looks like the fire had been going for a while. How is it that no one stopped the train?
My only experience with rail cars is unloading them and pushing them around on a spur in lumber yards, but I did manage to derail one, once (for a completely different reason). So, take this for what it is worth, but based on my experience in the trucking industry I am going to say that this is a maintenance and inspection issue.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 02-19-2023).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 19, 12:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
This is 20 miles ahead of the crash, and it looks like the fire had been going for a while. How is it that no one stopped the train? |
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Good question... maybe a great question.
One thing that's come up in the news coverage is Electronically Controlled Pneumatic or ECP braking. First mandated, and then, in September 2018, the "feds" rescinded the mandate. I would like to enter this brief online Fact Sheet into the forum's proceedings for completeness, if for no other reason.
"Electronically Controlled Pneumatic (ECP) Brakes & Hazmat"
Fact Sheet, undated but clearly as recent (if not more recent) than September 2018, from the Association of American Railroads:
https://www.aar.org/article/ecp-brakes/#!
The "bottom line"
| quote | | In September 2018, the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) and the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) rescinded the ECP brake mandate because the expected costs of ECP brakes are significantly higher than the expected benefits. |
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[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-19-2023).]
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williegoat
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FEB 19, 12:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Electronically Controlled Pneumatic (ECP) Brakes & Hazmat"
Fact Sheet, undated but clearly as recent (if not more recent) than September 2018, from the Association of American Railroads:
https://www.aar.org/article/ecp-brakes/#!
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That is the same article that I linked above. I don't see how ECP would have helped in this instance.
Maybe cameras, heat sensors, vibration sensors or some other monitoring systems might help when hazmat is involved.
I have seen studies that show the effectiveness of infrared cameras in diagnosing maintenance issues on trucks. The cameras are stationary and can see a bad bearing or a malfunctioning brake as the truck passes by.
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olejoedad
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FEB 19, 04:41 PM
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Use crossing gates to monitor train safety......
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williegoat
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FEB 19, 06:36 PM
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The video that I posted above is from Salem, OH. Less than 20 miles before Salem, that train had to pass through a Norfolk Southern yard in Alliance, OH.
https://goo.gl/maps/cEeuqsQ8rq5kx1TNA
I don't know what kind of inspection protocols and procedures rail cars are subject to, but it would be interesting to learn.
Does anyone know anything about the specific car that had the bearing failure? Where it was picked up, who owns it, etc.
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ray b
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FEB 20, 03:49 PM
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rinselberg
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FEB 25, 10:02 AM
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"The U.S. Has Billions for Wind and Solar Projects. Good Luck Plugging Them In."
| quote | | An explosion in proposed clean energy ventures has overwhelmed the system for connecting new power sources to homes and businesses. |
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Gridlock. Literally.
This is a 7-minutes duration "rinse approved" read.
Brad Plumer for the New York Times; February 23, 2023.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...electrical-grid.html[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-25-2023).]
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Fitz301
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MAR 08, 08:55 PM
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Apparently these things are just flying off the rails, here's yet another "not uncommon", "accidental", and "completely not suspicious at all", derailment in West Virginia.
But no, these things just happen all the time, especially lately...I wonder why? 
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rinselberg
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MAR 09, 10:37 AM
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| quote | There were at least 1,164 train derailments across the country last year [2022], according to data from the Federal Railroad Administration. That means the country [has been] averaging roughly [3] derailments per day . . .
Industry leaders say that most derailments occur within the confines of rail yards . . .
Last month, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg criticized railroads for their "vigorous resistance" to additional safety measures in the past, and said they must change following the East Palestine crash.
Buttigieg called on Norfolk Southern and other railroads to adopt new safety measures, such as implementing novel inspection technologies without reducing human inspections, proactively notifying state emergency response teams of the presence of cars carrying hazardous materials, and providing paid sick leave to workers.
The NTSB announced on Tuesday that it was opening a special investigation into Norfolk Southern in response to the "number and significance" of accidents involving the railroad. |
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"There are about 3 U.S. train derailments per day. They aren't usually major disasters"
Joe Hernandez for NPR/KQED; March 9, 2023.
https://www.npr.org/2023/03...sually-major-disaste[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-09-2023).]
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Fitz301
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MAR 10, 12:57 AM
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