School shootings... what changed? (Page 26/33)
blackrams JUN 08, 07:29 PM


People get confused on what Weapons of War are, what Weapons of Mass Destruction really are. Folks that think the AR15 is a Weapon of Mass Destruction really have no imagination.
That was Mass Murder!

Rams

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MidEngineManiac JUN 08, 07:41 PM
BAN KOOL-AID !!!!!!
rinselberg JUN 08, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
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People get confused on what Weapons of War are, what Weapons of Mass Destruction really are. Folks that think the AR15 is a Weapon of Mass Destruction really have no imagination.

That was Mass Murder!


That's like so much of the other nonsense that radicals and fanatics of a certain ilk are in the habit of spewing.

Because it wasn't Kool-Aid that killed the 900+ victims at Jonestown. It was what was added to the Kool-Aid: namely, Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.

It was way easier for the Uvalde perpetrator to buy the guns and ammo that he used, than it would have been for him to get his hands on those substances.

Beyond that, how likely is it that the Uvalde perp could have entered an elementary school through an unlocked side door when school was in session and enticed as many as 19 children and 2 teachers to (literally) "drink the Kool-Aid"..? Wouldn't that seem kind of suspicious? Of course, having an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle and lots of ammo in detachable magazines was also suspicious, but he didn't have to trouble himself to "entice" any of his victims to stand still so that he could shoot them.

And, by the way, it wasn't Kool-Aid. It was Flavor Aid. A similar but competing product. The Kool-Aid trade name had already become generic for powdered drink mixes of that kind, so it went down in the world's collective memory as "Kool-Aid."
williegoat JUN 08, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Because it wasn't Kool-Aid that killed the 900+ victims at Jonestown. It was what was added to the Kool-Aid: namely, Valium, chloral hydrate, cyanide, and Phenergan.



So, let me see if I understand this. The problem was not the KoolAid, but rather the person who misused it in a manner inconsistent with the product's intended purpose.
Hmmm, let me think about that.
blackrams JUN 08, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

So, let me see if I understand this. The problem was not the KoolAid, but rather the person who misused it in a manner inconsistent with the product's intended purpose.
Hmmm, let me think about that.



I believe he also mentioned an unsecured door, IOWs, a soft target. All we really need is a few signs saying "Gun Free Zone" to complete the story. Soft targets have to be hardened to keep kids safe. We can spend billions of dollars every year buying foreign friends but, we can't seem to find the money to secure our kid's schools.


I won't suggest there aren't questions that need to be answered about the TX tragedy. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered.
But, those that think an AR15 semi-automatic rifle was the issue don't really understand the tool.

There are over (estimated) 400 Million weapons in this country, I'm sure all the bad guys will turn theirs in.

Rams

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williegoat JUN 08, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


I believe he also mentioned an unsecured door, IOWs, a soft target. All we really need is a few signs saying "Gun Free Zone" to complete the story. Soft targets have to be hardened to keep kids safe. We can spend billions of dollars every year buying foreign friends but, we can't seem to find the money to secure our kid's schools.


I won't suggest there aren't questions that need to be answered about the TX tragedy. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered.
But, those that think an AR15 semi-automatic rifle was the issue don't really understand the tool.

There are over (estimated) 400 Million weapons in this country, I'm sure all the bad guys will turn theirs in.

Rams



Securing the school, providing guidance for a disturbed kid, better trained police, there are several things that might have prevented this; but gun laws are not on that list. People are shot in Mexico, Canada, California and New York, all of which have many gun laws. They don't help.
blackrams JUN 08, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Securing the school, providing guidance for a disturbed kid, better trained police, there are several things that might have prevented this; but gun laws are not on that list..



You left out identifying those disturbed individuals. Too many just want to look the other way and not get involved.

Rams
82-T/A [At Work] JUN 09, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

People get confused on what Weapons of War are, what Weapons of Mass Destruction really are. Folks that think the AR15 is a Weapon of Mass Destruction really have no imagination.
That was Mass Murder!

Rams





Fun fact, Jim Jones was a Democrat.
williegoat JUN 09, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Fun fact, Jim Jones was a Democrat.


What a mean thing to say! I suppose you are going to tell us Bruce Jenner is a boy, now.
rinselberg JUN 09, 01:49 PM
From a newly published essay about the Second Amendment:

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But this version of the Second Amendment ignores the first half, which reads, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State.” The Supreme Court barely contemplated the text’s meaning in Heller, asking no more than whether it could be given a logical link or a purpose consistent with what it dubbed the “operative clause”—wherein the amendment, in the Court’s view, protects an individual right to possess a weapon. The first half of the Second Amendment is at times also anachronistically associated with the question of whether the right to possess a weapon is tied to service in a “well regulated Militia”—a view the Heller majority rejected.

Missing from this reading, however, is any consideration of the constitutional significance of what is necessary to maintain the “security of a free State.” What does this security entail? Are Americans secure in a free state when they live in fear of the next violent act that might be perpetrated by the bearer of semiautomatic weapons? Are Americans secure in a free state when they are told that more resources should be spent on arming teachers, or training students to duck and cover and keep silent, as if in a new cold war, only this time the enemy is ourselves?


Thomas P. Crocker is a law professor at the University of South Carolina and the author of "Overcoming Necessity: Emergency, Constraint, and the Meanings of American Constitutionalism." His analysis of the 27 words that comprise the Second Amendment was published yesterday (June 8, 2022) in The Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com...-regulations/661208/