"Biden nuked a town so he could get the trains running again. Don't worry, Uncle Joe loves you to death."

It's no less probable a priori that this same chemicals freight train accident could have happened when Trump was President, and if it had happened and unfolded, as it likely would have, in a very similar way when Trump was President, you can be sure that these same unthinking bulls**t artists would be moaning and groaning about how the "left" and the "tree huggers" are exploiting it by exaggerating the amount and severity of the chemical contamination that's going into the soil, water and air of the East Palestine area.

They know nothing about the immediate cause of this accident. They know nothing about regulatory changes and legislation at the federal level, going all the way back to the Trump administration and to the Obama administration before it, and how that could reasonably be examined in relation to this accident. They don't have a clue about any kind of sensible response to it.

Clearly, the Biden administration didn't prevent it from happening—but don't give them credit for knowing anything more about it than that.

They don't.

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quote Originally posted by williegoat: So, if the ocean were to become warmer, wouldn't there be more algae? Maybe the cure to global warming is global warming. Homeostasis! The Gaia hypothesis! What a concept!

Now you're getting it!



The term "green" in "green energy" and the "green movement" is only one kind of green - MONEY. I've been saying this since the 80's.

"Globull warming" is a HOAX, a SCAM, a money making scheme, a grift, a good old-fashioned CON JOB.

These so-called climate "scientists" want to do their BS experiments to "cool the Earth's fever", in other words, they're demonizing the very thing that plants need to grow, CO2, and we're not talking about someone's houseplants, we're talking about destroying our food source - farming.

If nothing can grow, we will become dependent on the "One World Government" to feed us - if we behave ourselves, of course, and be good little peasants, they will consider throwing us some scraps of their "lab grown food".

As carbon based lifeforms, humans are the "carbon" they mean to eliminate.

F that.

The same goes for the vaxxed fools - the "scientists" have no idea what will come from their global experiment, and all the ignorant who lined up to get their poison, and afterwards gloated and filmed themselves being the GUINEA PIGS! All in the name of "science".

The vaxxed are the ANIMALS they tested their death cocktail on.

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"Biden nuked a town so he could get the trains running again. Don't worry, Uncle Joe loves you to death."


What the emergency responders did:

quote Fearing a massive explosion that would have sent noxious gases and shrapnel into the surrounding area, emergency responders breached five cars to let out the vinyl chloride, a toxic chemical, inside. The chemicals were diverted into a trench and burnt off. Officials warned that the controlled burn would send toxic gases phosgene and hydrogen chloride into the atmosphere. Local residents were evacuated, but were allowed to return home on February 8 after the fire had been extinguished.

What a former fire department battalion chief and hazmat tech (for 21 years) said about what the emergency responders did:

quote Speaking to local news channel WKBN, Sil Caggiano, a former fire department battalion chief in Youngstown, Ohio, and a hazmat technician for 21 years, said: "We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open."

Now maybe this Sil Caggiano is more "on point" than the emergency responders that intentionally drained off and burned the vinyl chloride—I certainly don't know about that. And I know who else doesn't know about it, either. It's the people who have picked up this "Biden nuked a town to get a train running again" tagline.

"Biden nuked a town to get a train running again." A catchy slogan. A shiny new object. They don't know anything about it, and they don't want to know anything about it. They're unthinking social media addicts, reading from a script that's been written for them by demagogues and hypocrites.

"Nuked a town"
Aleks Phillips for Newsweek; February 15, 2023.
https://www.newsweek.com/oh...t-specialist-1781388

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Call it what it is.......hydrogen chloride is hydrochloric acid. They are both HCl and are very corrosive.

Is that admonition being addressed to any specific forum member(s)..?

I just remarked on a news report that was published in Newsweek under the banner of "We basically nuked a town..."

The only part of that news report that I question is the opinion that was expressed by "one" Sil Caggiano, that "We basically nuked a town" for the express purpose of more promptly reopening that railroad line.

The emergency responders implemented a decision to pierce the derailed tanker cars, draining the liquified vinyl chloride into a trench that they had prepared, and then intentionally setting that liquified vinyl chloride on fire and burning it, in what they will surely say was the least dangerous and least harmful way for them to respond to the situation.


"Biden nuked a town so he could get the trains running again. Don't worry, Uncle Joe loves you to death."

According to the news report, the emergency responders feared that the vinyl chloride-laden tanker cars that had derailed presented an imminent threat of an explosion or uncontrolled fire, and that an intentional burn-off of the vinyl chloride was the least dangerous and least harmful way to prevent that.

Obviously, there are different scenarios that can be "played out", in considering alternative decisions that could have been made.

It's unfortunate that vinyl chloride was purposely set on fire, producing phosgene and hydrogen chloride combustion products that went into the atmosphere.

What if the vinyl chloride burned after exploding, or just burned in an unplanned way, as the emergency responders feared was going to happen? You'd also have phosgene and hydrogen chloride or perhaps other combustion products going into the atmosphere. You could also have more of the liquified vinyl chloride going into the soil or into ponds or creeks near the accident site. Call this the "Uncontrolled Scenario".

Maybe they could have avoided this Uncontrolled Scenario by safely recovering the liquified vinyl chloride from the derailed tanker cars.

But maybe not. What if the derailed tanker cars were to explode or catch fire while the recovery crews were in close proximity, getting their equipment ready to drain the tanker cars of the liquified vinyl chloride? What if the derailed tanker cars started leaking the vinyl chloride, or leaking more of it, if some of it wasn't already leaking?

And who's to say (among those who are talking about this) that reopening that railroad line will not be of some use during the cleanup effort at the site that is going to continue for a time? Who's to say that the railroad line cannot be reopened and used to bring needed materials and equipment directly to the accident site to assist in removing contaminated soil or water?

I question whether the "We (or Biden) nuked a town to reopen a railroad line" sayers are carefully thinking this situation through—including this Sil Caggiano, and even considering his long experience as a former fire department battalion chief and hazmat specialist.

"Prove me wrong."


Edited to add: I blame my voluntary exposure to unthinking social media addicts and their memes and slogans on this forum as the reason for the garrulous byproducts of my own combustion, as evidenced by this message.

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