School shootings... what changed? (Page 22/33)
Hudini MAY 29, 07:20 PM
rinselberg MAY 29, 08:15 PM
Jake_Dragon MAY 29, 08:19 PM
I asked why no one had reached out to this kid in another forum and was told teachers and schools do not have the resources to get involved with every emo kids problems. (their words not mine)

So you teachers and spouses of teachers, do the schools not have enough resources to get involved?
Is it just simpler to place the blame on guns and not accept that someone could have stopped this kid before any of this happened.
I wont even ask about the cops as we already know they let the kids down but that is another story and should perhaps be asked in a different thread.

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blackrams MAY 29, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

I wont even ask about the cops as we already know they let the kids down but that is another story and should perhaps be asked in a different thread.




All I can say at this point is, Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do and see where things went south.
I don't have the information the decision maker had at the time he was making those decisions.
Do I think the first few LEOs should have gone in and do what they could? Yes.
Would I have ordered such a move, hard to say, I wasn't there and don't know what they knew at the time.

Rams
williegoat MAY 29, 08:34 PM
The tread title asks, “What changed?”

What has changed is that far too few understand what Hudini posted above. It is clear that many who do not call themselves Americans, will not understand the significance of the spirit that, for centuries, has made America exceptional. I understand that some are resentful that they never grew up with such unwavering values. Unwavering, yes, American values do not and should not change.

American values include civility, tolerance and patience. Our adversaries know this and have, for far too long, taken advantage of American good will. We have allowed this to get out of hand because another enduring American value is the belief that people are basically good. We can no longer allow those who wish us harm to take advantage of our good nature.

I will stop here for now...
rinselberg MAY 30, 06:24 AM
School shootings... what changed?

Society has become more complex.

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Hudini MAY 30, 09:50 AM
I will not give up my inalienable rights. I will not comply.
rinselberg MAY 30, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:
I will not give up my inalienable rights. I will not comply.



He may or may not comply (Hudini), but it's not his "inalienable right" to acquire and possess the over 300 rounds of hollow-point 5.56 ammunition and Daniels Defense DDM4 semiautomatic rifle that the Uvalde perpetrator used to kill and maim, and destroy an entire community by his actions at Robb Elementary School on May 24.

"The Second Amendment Does Not Transcend All Others"

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Its text and context don’t ensure an unlimited individual right to bear any kind and number of weapons by anyone.


Garrett Epps for The Atlantic; March 8, 2018.
https://www.theatlantic.com...l&utm_campaign=share


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"Part of the miserable ritual that follows American mass shootings [writes Garrett Epps, in March of 2018] is the lament that nothing can be done unless we get rid of the Second Amendment."


In this 2018 essay, the Professor of Law Emeritus at the University of Baltimore uses his knowledge of constitutional law and of American history and jurisprudence to eviscerate the dangerous and delusional notion that the Second Amendment would confer an "inalienable right" for any private citizen—let alone a private citizen who had just turned 18—to acquire and possess the rifle and ammo that was used in the Uvalde atrocity.

Dr. Epps takes a close look at the text of the Second Amendment—a single sentence of 27 words—and deconstructs its meaning by drawing upon his knowledge of the Articles of Confederation, which preceded the establishment of the Constitution of the United States in 1789.

Garrett Epps received his J.D. degree (Doctorate in Law) from Duke University. This is his online page at the University of Baltimore:
https://law.ubalt.edu/facul...tus-faculty/epps.cfm

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williegoat MAY 30, 02:33 PM
Laws are the opposite of freedom.
Laws are not a reasonable substitute for responsibility.
Laws facilitate the abdication of responsibility.
The opposite of irresponsible behavior is responsible action.
Responsibility is part of a moral code, a set of values, American values.
rinselberg MAY 30, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Laws are the opposite of freedom.
Laws are not a reasonable substitute for responsibility.
Laws facilitate the abdication of responsibility.
The opposite of irresponsible behavior is responsible action.
Responsibility is part of a moral code, a set of values, American values.




Dr. Garrett Epps, Professor of Law Emeritus at the University of Baltimore, ponders "a failure to communicate."