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Fitz301
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FEB 12, 04:55 PM
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Of course, it's "not a problem" when the lunatic left is behind it.
Unless, of course, they can somehow figure a way to blame the "evil right-wingers" or Trump directly.
It turns to what? OMG!!!! Evil carbon dioxide!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! Complete BS.
And you believe that? I don't believe for a second that a "microplastic" can become something a simple as carbon dioxide by being released into, and mixing with, air. Unless of course, like you, you believe in the "carbon dioxide boogey man" which, in your case, is scarier than the ACTUAL problems that are going to occur because of this.
I suppose you also believe dinosaurs became birds, but that's another forum altogether.
You've just confirmed that you, and the rest of the ecoterrorists, are nothing but BS artists and snake oil salesmen, you have no thoughts of your own and only repeat what you are told by the "state", like a good little commie.
You sound vaxxinated, you tool.
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"Decomposition of microplastics: Emission of harmful substances and greenhouse gases in the environment"
Małgorzata Kida, Sabina Ziembowicz and Piotr Koszelnik for the Journal of Environmental Chemical Engineering; February 2023.
https://www.sciencedirect.c...ii/S2213343722019200
I haven't found much online about vinyl chloride as a greenhouse gas.
It certainly is a greenhouse gas, but most of the concerns about it are related to it as a carcinogen or cancer-provoking substance.
The viewgraph suggests (to me) that vinyl chloride breaks down in the environment, turning into CO2 (carbon dioxide), CH4 (methane) and C2H4 (ethylene), which are all greenhouse gases.
It's happened before:
"East Palestine train derailment compares to 2012 incident in New Jersey"
Patty Coller and Jennifer Rodriguez for WKBN 27; February 8, 2023.
https://www.wkbn.com/news/l...ident-in-new-jersey/
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rinselberg
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FEB 12, 07:09 PM
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I don't know of anyone who has a positive regard for Climate Science and the evidence for human-related, greenhouse gas-driven global warming, who is also in favor of freight train derailments.
As far as the media "ignoring" this train derailment and the spillage and burning of vinyl chloride and other hazardous substances... "Fitz" is truly living in some other world. Not this one.
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Valkrie9
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FEB 12, 07:26 PM
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You know, you know,
the Red Chinese ccp and pla have been plotting to rule the world.
They produced thousands of tons of CO² to send their virus capsule balloons across the continent.
Perhaps a daring and heroic agent will foil their plans, their nefarious desire to steal power, Biden_Joe their ' stooge '.
' No, Dr. No. '
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Fitz301
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FEB 12, 07:34 PM
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I NEVER said the media was "ignoring" it - pay attention and learn to read, you ignorant tool, because obviously you're sucking the media coverage down like a...well I won't say, but let's just say it involves a hot dog eating contest.
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I don't know of anyone who has a positive regard for Climate Science and the evidence for human-related, greenhouse gas-driven global warming, who is also in favor of freight train derailments.
As far as the media "ignoring" this train derailment and the spillage and burning of vinyl chloride and other hazardous substances... "Fitz" is truly living in some other world. Not this one.
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[This message has been edited by Fitz301 (edited 02-12-2023).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 13, 12:33 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fitz301:
Of course, it's "not a problem" when the lunatic left is behind it.
Unless, of course, they can somehow figure a way to blame the "evil right-wingers" or Trump directly.
It turns to what? OMG!!!! Evil carbon dioxide!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! Complete BS.
And you believe that? I don't believe for a second that a "microplastic" can become something a simple as carbon dioxide by being released into, and mixing with, air. Unless of course, like you, you believe in the "carbon dioxide boogey man" which, in your case, is scarier than the ACTUAL problems that are going to occur because of this.
I suppose you also believe dinosaurs became birds, but that's another forum altogether.
You've just confirmed that you, and the rest of the ecoterrorists, are nothing but BS artists and snake oil salesmen, you have no thoughts of your own and only repeat what you are told by the "state", like a good little commie.
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Well, score one for "Fitz":
| quote | At standard temperature and pressure, vinyl chloride (VC) is a nonirritating, colourless gas. It is generally odorless below 10 000 mg/m3 (3900 ppm), but a sweetish odor may be detected by some sensitive individuals between 200 and 500 mg/m3. The gas is easily liquefied under pressure and is usually stored or shipped as a liquid.
Vinyl chloride is highly stable in the absence of sunlight or oxygen. Above 400 °C, it dissociates into acetylene and hydrochlorine. In the atmosphere VC reacts with hydroxyl radicals and ozone, ultimately forming formaldehyde, carbon monoxide, hydrochloric acid and formic acid. On the basis of measured reaction rates with hydroxyl radicals and their concentration in air, it is estimated that the half-time of VC in the atmosphere is about 20 hours. |
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World Health Organization Regional Office for Europe; Copenhagen, Denmark; 2000.
https://www.euro.who.int/__...16vinyl-chloride.pdf
In this derailment situation, some of the vinyl chloride has no doubt been escaping directly into the atmosphere, and that's how it is reacting to turn into formaldehyde, carbon monoxide, hydrochloric acid and formic acid, according to this report.
Some of the vinyl chloride has (likely) spilled onto soil or into any nearby bodies of water, like a creek or a pond. Or maybe a river. I'm not familiar with the derailment site. That will gradually react and change into other chemicals, and I think (based on the viewgraph and the research report that I posted) that the vinyl chloride that has gone into the soil and water will gradually breakdown and turn into carbon dioxide, methane, ethylene and (perhaps) hydrogen chloride.
Some of the vinyl chloride (perhaps the largest part) has been combusted in an intentional "burnoff", which yields combustion products that (this is my guess) include carbon dioxide and hydrogen chloride.
But don't not see the forest because of the trees. However you "slice and dice" this freight train derailment, the idea that it is an act of "eco-terrorism"... where does that come from? Like this hasn't happened many times before? In my previous message, I presented a news report about another freight train accident involving vinyl chloride from 2012, in New Jersey. Was that "eco-terrorism" too?
"Fitz" is imagining a magnitude and a significance to this freight train derailment that is a hundred or even a thousand times greater than the reality of it.
He's wasting his imagination.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-13-2023).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 13, 10:39 AM
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| quote | | The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency sent a letter to Norfolk Southern stating that ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, ethylhexyl acrylate and isobutylene were also in the rail cars that were derailed, breached and/or on fire. |
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Jennifer Rodriguez for WKBN 27; February 12, 2023.
https://www.wkbn.com/news/l...ne-train-derailment/
These are in addition to vinyl chloride, butyl acrylate and benzene residue, all previously reported in news media accounts.
I wonder if there isn't some confusion or ambiguity here, in which a previous report of butyl acrylate (for example) is now being described by the EPA as ethylhexyl acrylate.
Just speculation, on my part.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-13-2023).]
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olejoedad
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FEB 13, 11:46 AM
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You're wasting your imagination speculation.
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rinselberg
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FEB 13, 03:04 PM
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If the shoe "Fitz", wear it
| quote | The [Ohio train derailment] disaster is a reminder of the health and safety risks that accompany reliance on fossil fuels. Vinyl chloride, the chemical released from the railcars, is a petrochemical produced from the hydrocarbon ethylene. Its primary use is in making polyvinyl chloride, or PVC, a type of plastic that is widely used to make pipes, flooring, wire insulation, and a slew of single-use medical devices.
Over the last decade, with the rise of fracking and the subsequent boom in U.S. oil and gas production, fossil fuel companies have turned to plastic production as a way to capitalize on cheap (until recently) oil and gas. Researchers at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, an intergovernmental organization with 38 member countries, projected that global plastics production would roughly quadruple from 407 million tonnes a year to 1,600 million tonnes in 2050.The consequences of the growth are felt most acutely by communities on the front lines of fossil fuel production and refining — such as the Gulf Coast, which has seen a massive buildout of petrochemical facilities — and in towns like East Palestine that reside along pipeline and railroad routes.
Plastics are “so pervasive in our economy,” said Judith Enck, a former EPA regional administrator and current president of the environmental group Beyond Plastics. “Wherever a range of plastic products are being made, you will often have to transport vinyl chloride to the facility, and it’s not without its risks, as we’ve seen this past week.”
Train derailments are not uncommon. More than 250 trains have derailed in the last decade, according to the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, a branch of the federal Department of Transportation. Of them, roughly half involved hazardous waste. Trains that carry hazardous waste face additional federal regulations, but the Norfolk Southern train that derailed in East Palestine was not considered a “high-hazard flammable train,” federal officials told The Lever, an investigative news outlet. Despite the combustibility of vinyl chloride, industry lobbyists have successfully limited many trains carrying the chemical from the most stringent federal regulations.
The industry group American Association of Railroads, of which Norfolk Southern is a member, has also fought stricter safety standards including an updated braking system. Electronically Controlled Pneumatic brakes, or ECP brakes, can decrease train stopping distances and could have prevented the derailment last week, according to The Lever. Norfolk spent years lobbying against the use of these brakes, and the Ohio train was not outfitted with the technology.
At least four class action lawsuits have been filed against Norfolk in the last few days. Residents have claimed the derailment and the resulting evacuation forced them out of their homes and businesses causing economic losses, emotional distress, and exposure to hazardous chemicals. |
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"The Ohio train derailment underscores the dangers of the plastics boom"
Naveena Sadasivam for Grist; February 10, 2023.
https://grist.org/transport...-palestine-plastics/
I duplicated the entire article, except for the first two paragraphs.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-13-2023).]
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WonderBoy
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FEB 13, 08:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
If the shoe "Fitz", wear it
"The Ohio train derailment underscores the dangers of the plastics boom"
Naveena Sadasivam for Grist; February 10, 2023.
https://grist.org/transport...-palestine-plastics/
I duplicated the entire article, except for the first two paragraphs.
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No plastics, no green energy giveaways.
Oh wait, we could use hemp, the all universal material (according to the stoners).
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Fitz301
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FEB 13, 08:39 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
If the shoe "Fitz", wear it
"The Ohio train derailment underscores the dangers of the plastics boom"
Naveena Sadasivam for Grist; February 10, 2023.
https://grist.org/transport...-palestine-plastics/
I duplicated the entire article, except for the first two paragraphs.
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Glad you decided to stick yoour foot in your mouth and say that BS, because 2 more "not uncommon" train derailments, both carrying toxic chemicals (it just so happens), happened in Texas and South Carolina, how "uncommonly" well timed.
Well gee whiz, apparently train derailments are so "not uncommon" that 3 just happen to occur within less than a week. And oddly enough, ALL of them just happened to be carrying toxic materials that just happen to be of the spillable variety.
The ecoterrorists are 3 for 3, what a coincidence huh? Just so happens...
Extract your head from your arse you tool.
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