William Penn -- Cancelled (Page 20/22) ray b JAN 26, 09:44 AM quote Originally posted by randye: Your feelings don't mean squat. Proper public policy and legislation is NOT made on the basis of emotions / feelings. let not forget the great and powerful rump said he would totally and perfectly fix health care of course he LIED as he always LIES about everything all the time THE RUMP DID NOTHING ABOUT HEALTH CARE BET RANDYE WILL NOT QUOTE THIS WHOLE POST AS IT IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH HIS FEELINGS ABOUT THE RUMP BingB JAN 26, 11:26 AM quote Originally posted by randye: Your feelings don't mean squat. Proper public policy and legislation is NOT made on the basis of emotions / feelings. "Promote the general welfare" does not mean citizens have to suffer in the name of economic growth. Child labor laws hurt corporate profits. OSHA safety regulations hurt corporate profits. Why were they passed if "emotions/feelings" don't mean anything? BingB JAN 26, 11:35 AM quote Originally posted by cliffw: All felons are prohibited from ever owning a gun. I feel much safer because Martha Stewert is not allowed to own a gun. Those laws don't stop violent criminals from obtaining guns. Your police reasoning has no merit. Since there is no gun registration law any private party can sell a gun to a violent criminal without fear of being held responsible. It is nearly impossible to trace firearm sales without a registration requirement. If police encounter an individual with a weapon it is impossible to immediately determine if he is legally allowed to possess that gun. Think of enforcing driving restrictions with no drivers licensing. Or enforcing auto theft laws with no vehicle registration. The only people who benefit from our current system are violent criminals and gun manufacturers. Responsible gun owners are the victims of weak gun laws. BingB JAN 26, 11:41 AM quote Originally posted by cliffw: Everyone has health insurance even if it is crappy ObamaCare. Which all taxpayers provide. 30 million U S citizens disagree. And even with insurance many citizens can not afford health care. 60% of bankruptcies are based on medical bills. Millions do without prescription medication. BingB JAN 26, 11:48 AM quote Originally posted by cliffw: How come Biden allows the flood of illegal aliens to enter and overburden our public schools, our medical care, our Welfare system, and our employment opportunities ? I strongly oppose Bidens position on immigration. I don't try to defend it. quote Originally posted by cliffw: How did Trump keep out illegal aliens without "comprehensive immigration reform", what ever that means He didn't. In 2019 apprehensions and expulsions at the border were the highest they had been since 2007. Then Covid shut down the wave of immigrants. williegoat JAN 26, 12:23 PM quote Originally posted by BingB: "Promote the general welfare" does not mean citizens have to suffer in the name of economic growth. Child labor laws hurt corporate profits. OSHA safety regulations hurt corporate profits. Why were they passed if "emotions/feelings" don't mean anything? Economic growth promotes the general welfare. Child labor does not promote economic growth. Safety, done right, improves profit. Good law is not based on emotions or feelings. The DOL is far too often misguided. I have 15 years of experience in Safety Management, including direct interaction with the USDOT and USDOL. You don't know what you are talking about. BingB JAN 26, 01:47 PM quote Originally posted by williegoat: Economic growth promotes the general welfare. Child labor does not promote economic growth. Safety, done right, improves profit. Good law is not based on emotions or feelings. The DOL is far too often misguided. I have 15 years of experience in Safety Management, including direct interaction with the USDOT and USDOL. You don't know what you are talking about. Universal health care will promote economic growth. Corporate profits will increase when they don't have to pay for health insurance. Healthier work force is more productive. People are free to start their own businesses instead of being a slave to a job simply because of health insurance. That is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY ON EARTH has some for of universal health care. And corporations fought tooth and nail against child labor laws and health and safety regulations because they reduced corporate profits. How exactly did child labor laws promote economic growth? olejoedad JAN 26, 02:07 PM quote Originally posted by BingB: Universal health care will promote economic growth. Corporate profits will increase when they don't have to pay for health insurance. Healthier work force is more productive. People are free to start their own businesses instead of being a slave to a job simply because of health insurance. That is why EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY ON EARTH has some for of universal health care. And corporations fought tooth and nail against child labor laws and health and safety regulations because they reduced corporate profits. How exactly did child labor laws promote economic growth? They fought against them 100 years ago. Get caught up to the present. Question. With universal health care, what is the research and development funding mechanism? I ask because I've never heard an answer to that question. I too believe that health care costs are absurd. BingB JAN 26, 02:20 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: With universal health care, what is the research and development funding mechanism? I ask because I've never heard an answer to that question. Universal health care does involve nationalizing the pharmaceutical industry. Drug companies that come up with new medicine or treatments will still have trademark protection so that they can reap all of the profits for 25 years. There will still be heated competition to come up with new drugs. A lot of scientific/medical research is done at the university level through grants. That will not stop. The most recent huge breakthrough in medicine involves genetic editing (CRISPER). That technology was developed with federal grant money, but now private enterprises are charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for treatments using it. The American Heart Association, American Cancer Association, and all of those types of institutions will still raise money to fund research. Health INSURANCE companies will be the ones eliminated and they currently fund ZERO medical research and development. BingB JAN 26, 02:21 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: They fought against them 100 years ago. Get caught up to the present. In the present we still need government agencies to force compliance and enforce regulations. The fight is still ongoing.