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quote Originally posted by rinselberg: I just don't see any way that the world can increase the amount or the effectiveness of forested areas so that the removal of CO2 from the atmosphere via forest metabolism (photosynthesis) could even begin to counteract greenhouse gas-driven global warming.

I am not surprised. No, you are not an expert and, you are not exercising common sense. Where did I mention forested areas, ? That article mentioned trees. All vegan plants consume CO². By the way, how much CO² does one tree eliminate ? If I have two cars, will two trees cover my "carbon footprint" ? How many trees does John Kerry, Al Gore and et all need to plant ? Gee. If they are so concerned about saving the planet, all of man kind, all of animal life, plant life, Why don't they quit flying their private jets, ?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: As far as your mother's greenhouse, there surely was CO2 in the air that it enclosed. The ambient concentration of CO2 in the troposphere, during whatever years that your mom's greenhouse was greenhousin'.

Where did that CO² come from ? Are you saying my Mom farts ?

You must understand that air is not stratified into various gases with the densest and heaviest gases are at the bottom, while the least dense and lightest gases are at the top. If this was the case, you would not be able to breathe oxygen.

We have thermometers, rain gauges, barometers, wind speed gauges. Why do we not have CO² gauges if the world is at stake ? Do they not want the average inhabitant of the planet to know that they are being fed bullzhit ! Somehow they measure it and spout lies they want us to think.

My vocation was the oil field, drilling oil and gas wells. Pick your poison. We had vessels, tanks, containers, storage structures. Many of them. They had an entry portal (for inside maintenance / cleaning / cleaning other reasons). Before any employee can enter, they had to get a 'confined entry permit". We had to test the air quality. They measured air quality. Oxygen percentage. H²S presence / concentration, some other thing. CO² was not one of them.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: In 1827, Joseph Fourier, a French mathematician and physicist, wondered why Earth's average temperature is approximately 15°C (59°F). He reasoned that there must be some type of balance between the incoming energy and the outgoing energy to maintain this fairly constant temperature. His calculations indicated that Earth should actually be much colder (-18°C or 0°F).

They had dumb asses in 1827.

I was going to ask you. What should the preferred temperature of the planet be. Dumbazz Joseph Fourier thinks the ideal temperature of Earth should be 0°F.

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: To have an average temperature of 15°C (59°F), Fourier knew that there had to be another process occurring in the atmosphere—something similar to the way a greenhouse retains heat. A greenhouse's glass enclosure allows visible light to enter and be absorbed by the plants and soil. The plants and soil then emit the absorbed heat energy as infrared radiation

Yeah, wrong !

Joseph Fourier knew about infrared radiation before it was discovered,
So now the ideal temperature we should wish for is 59°F ?

quote Originally posted by rinselberg: While I was mulling over what I might like to say about the accuracy of sea level measurements from the Sentinel-6 series of satellites, I stumbled across this: "Seas will likely rise even faster than worst-case scenarios predicted by climate models"

How many false predictions will you believe, ?

Has any prediction become true ? That question would be called a clue. Here is another clue. The answer to that question is "NONE" !

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: How many false predictions will you believe, ? Has any prediction become true? That question would be called a clue. Here is another clue. The answer to that question is "NONE" !

"Even 50-year-old climate models correctly predicted global warming"

quote Climate skeptics have tried to undermine the validity of climate change by attacking the predictions of climate models. A new study assessed the accuracy of climate models dating back to 1970. The researchers found that the majority of the models correctly predicted today’s warmer world.

quote The scientists compared actual global temperatures with 17 predictions of average global temperatures using models developed between 1970 and 2001. The majority of the models accurately predicted the 0.9 degrees Celsius of warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution. Ten of the models were so accurate that the study found no statistically significant difference between the temperatures they predicted and those that were directly measured.

This is a very brief article. Just a few paragraphs. It includes links to a slightly longer report in Science, and an actual research report in Geophysical Research Letters.

Alex Fox for The Hill; December 9, 2019.
https://thehill.com/changin...te-models-correctly/

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Everybody remember this day in history.

It is the day that vinyl chloride was purposely released into the air, under the direction of EPA ecoterrorists and "activists" to invoke a chemical reaction in the atmosphere, so in a few years time when everybody forgets about this and it's no longer in the news cycle, people like rinselberg, an ecoterrorist tool and others like him, can squawk about the resultant effects on the weather, which are yet to be determined, and will be used as further "proof of globull warming" and the rest of the ecoterrorists will give us their demands about how much more money will be extorted...oops, they will need you to be politely taxed to "stop globull warming" and how it's the fault of everyday appliances which should be banned, and how John Q. Public is to blame and should be FORCED into the "next thing" that will "combat climate change", no matter the cost.

And you will do it OR ELSE, if you want permission from the powers that be, in exchange for a few meager "freedoms" and a percentage, or pitance if you will, of your hard earned money will you be allowed to keep to buy the things you need (and they will tell you what you need), but only those items they deem "environmentally friendly". If you're one of the lucky few who've got your own home, you will forced to make changes to "comply" with these ecoterrorists so you too can be "certified" by the "LEEDS Standard", which is how they know who's "complying" and who should still be demonized.

And if anybody should refuse or try to argue their claims, you will branded a "climate denier" and accused of not caring about your "community", "other people" and/or "the Earth", and we will be presented with a whole slew of new Whorrywood 2 hour preachfests they call "entertainmet", like that "The Day After Tomorrow" shitshow, and the Commie News Network will be armed with a fresh set of talking points and buzzwords about how all the "evil right-wingers" and the "Trump supporters" are to blame for the world not having clean air to breathe, and how they obtained "evidence" (which they never reveal), about how Trump himself was behind it the whole time and everybody that voted for him were stupid suckers who weren't as "smart" as the "intellectual left" who would never have let this happen.

Enjoy!

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CLICK FOR FULL SIZE

"Decomposition of microplastics: Emission of harmful substances and greenhouse gases in the environment"
Małgorzata Kida, Sabina Ziembowicz and Piotr Koszelnik for the Journal of Environmental Chemical Engineering; February 2023.
https://www.sciencedirect.c...ii/S2213343722019200

I haven't found much online about vinyl chloride as a greenhouse gas.

It certainly is a greenhouse gas, but most of the concerns about it are related to it as a carcinogen or cancer-provoking substance.

The viewgraph suggests (to me) that vinyl chloride breaks down in the environment, turning into CO2 (carbon dioxide), CH4 (methane) and C2H4 (ethylene), which are all greenhouse gases.

It's happened before:

quote The train accident in East Palestine is not the first time that a derailment caused a release of vinyl chloride. It happened in 2012 in Paulsboro, New Jersey. In that case, 20,000 gallons of the chemical were released... [that was] a spill, not a burn-off such as [this] East Palestine derailment, but in both instances, there was a release of vinyl chloride into the ground and into the water.

"East Palestine train derailment compares to 2012 incident in New Jersey"
Patty Coller and Jennifer Rodriguez for WKBN 27; February 8, 2023.
https://www.wkbn.com/news/l...ident-in-new-jersey/

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