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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 10, 09:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Perhaps the Ukraine can send some help to support California through this time of need..  |
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Yeah, LA County supposedly donated a couple of trucks and some other equipment to Ukraine.
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blackrams
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JAN 11, 06:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
I think you probably mean these issue?:
https://www.latimes.com/env...ater-supply-problems
Those are caused by LA's garbage infrastructure. LA is a poorly run city.
Edit: "We didn't think about wild fires!" is the best part of the article. Gee, if only you had some warning.
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Sounds about right. In this case, Poor Planning Precludes Potential Problems. Obviously, not having the capability to fight a forest fire next to a city wasn't a consideration. Someone should be held responsible this.
I keep thinking about the resistance to using ocean water versus fresh water. I'm simply amazed that environmental concerns took priority over saving homes and lives. Am I to believe that the chemicals the aviation assets are bombing the fire with are environmentally friendly?
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Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . 
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-11-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 11, 10:46 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
I keep thinking about the resistance to using ocean water versus fresh water. I'm simply amazed that environmental concerns took priority over saving homes and lives. Am I to believe that the chemicals the aviation assets are bombing the fire with are environmentally friendly?
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This really happened? Sigh...
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NewDustin
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JAN 11, 12:18 PM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 11, 01:45 PM
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Sorry, that's not a valid statement. That's propaganda.
The "equipment" they could be using, are helicopters with water buckets, which gets used all the time to fight fires. You don't dump it on a house, but you dump it in an area of the forest where the fire is reaching a neighborhood, or where you can contain and STOP the fire from spreading further. Second, they aren't farming in the forest... and third... when it DOES finally rain, it will wash away all of that salt, unless you continue to dump water in the same area 100s of times. The amount of salt will largely be negligible for benefit of saving entire neighborhoods and people's homes. This is literally common sense. This is more ultra-liberal radicalism that evades common sense.
EDIT: Forgot to add... these buckets can be washed off literally in the days following, and it won't destroy them. I'm not saying to fill pumper trucks with saltwater... let's use common sense here.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 01-11-2025).]
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NewDustin
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JAN 12, 02:43 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Sorry, that's not a valid statement. That's propaganda.
The "equipment" they could be using, are helicopters with water buckets, which gets used all the time to fight fires. You don't dump it on a house, but you dump it in an area of the forest where the fire is reaching a neighborhood, or where you can contain and STOP the fire from spreading further. Second, they aren't farming in the forest... and third... when it DOES finally rain, it will wash away all of that salt, unless you continue to dump water in the same area 100s of times. The amount of salt will largely be negligible for benefit of saving entire neighborhoods and people's homes. This is literally common sense. This is more ultra-liberal radicalism that evades common sense.
EDIT: Forgot to add... these buckets can be washed off literally in the days following, and it won't destroy them. I'm not saying to fill pumper trucks with saltwater... let's use common sense here.
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Maybe you know more than the spokespeople for the National Fire Protection Agency, the San Diego Fire Dept, and the Orange County Fire Authority, and ecologists who have studied it. I'm using information from them, but maybe they're the ultra-liberal radicals you're fighting so diligently against?
You seem to be citing...yourself. Again. That right?
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randye
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JAN 12, 04:33 AM
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blackrams
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JAN 12, 09:09 AM
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LA Mayor Refuses Help from NY Firefighters but Mexico Fire Crews
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...96343aa7efbd65&ei=2 4
| quote | At this point, you kind of wonder whether the citizens of Los Angeles want Mayor Karen Bass back in Ghana.
As you may recall, the prominent California Democrat -- former head of the Congressional Black Caucus during her time in the House of Representatives and a potential veep pick for Joe Biden in 2020 before her fondness for Fidel Castro and the "Church" of Scientology derailed her -- was over in the African nation for the inauguration of a new president when the devastating California wildfires that have killed at least 11 as of Saturday morning broke out.
Wonderful. As it turns out, however, she actually seems more useful to her city when she's either silent or over in another country.
According to the New York Post, Bass refused help from the New York Fire Department -- even though the city was willing to pay for airfare to bring firefighters out to Los Angeles. This comes as California Gov. Gavin Newsom is soliciting help from Mexico (por supuesto) to fight the blazes.
This was her reaction when she returned to the United States on Wednesday:
“Have you absolutely nothing to say to the citizens today?” Blevins asked.
She said nothing.
According to the New York Post, Bass refused help from the New York Fire Department -- even though the city was willing to pay for airfare to bring firefighters out to Los Angeles. This comes as California Gov. Gavin Newsom is soliciting help from Mexico (por supuesto) to fight the blazes.
FDNY Commissioner Robert Tucker reportedly made the offer during the week, sources said Friday, with JetBlue volunteering to allow the firefighters free flights to California.
Mayor Bass' office denied the report, however.
“This is false, we have never rejected resources — LA welcomes any and all help to fight fires," said Zach Seidl, Los Angeles' deputy mayor of communications.
Meanwhile, also on Friday, Newsom thanked Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum for sending their firefighters to fight the Eaton fire.
"California is deeply grateful for President @ClaudiaShein's support as we work to suppress the Los Angeles wildfires," he wrote.
"Our partnership and shared commitment to helping communities in need is greatly valued."
In other words, while Karen Bass is turning down firefighter help, Gavin Newsom is actively importing it from Mexico. When the optics favor Capt. Hair Gel, you really do need to take a step back and evaluate your leadership ability.
It's worth noting, as the Post did, that there might be reasons why Bass thought the FDNY members wouldn't be a great fit, although they don't really compute. One of them is that this is a wildfire, something that's different from most of the training that New York City's bravest receive.
That being said, firefighters in California are stretched so thin that virtually anyone can help, and they could spell other Los Angeles Fire Department members in fighting fires around urban areas, leaving those closer to home to battle fires that frequently happen on their own terrain.
Moreover, as she faces veritable mutiny at home -- her own fire chief went on TV to savage Bass for budget shortfalls on Friday -- it's a profoundly bad look for the mayor of the second biggest city in the United States to turn down an offer of assistance from the biggest city, which is what one guesses is the reason behind the denials.
Never fear, though: California Democrats have made sure the Mexican fire brigades are coming! At this point, you have to wonder whether Karen Bass is actively trying to make a farce of her own leadership for some unknown purpose. From the outside, it certainly looks that way. |
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Hmm.............  This might be a CYA situation.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-12-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 12, 10:42 AM
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Respectfully, New Dustin... you have the opinion that government can do no wrong. You take the default assumption that anything that comes out of government is 100% fact and should not be questioned. So much in fact that you completely avoid even a modicum of common sense, and just inherently believe what you're told... forgetting entirely that government is made up of people who are inherently trying to protect themselves and their personal goals and opinions. You have to Occam's Razor everything... including government speak. You need to think... ok... how bad can a "bucket" get destroyed by using it to capture sea water? Obviously... the common sense is that it literally does nothing.
You obviously see above (thanks Randye) that they're now finally using them to combat the fire... which they should have done from the beginning. This even goes against their own statements. What you view as fact, is a government spokesperson spreading propaganda to protect their political and re-election campaign.
EDIT: I just clicked your link... ??? it literally says what I've been saying:
Yes, saltwater can be used to extinguish wildfires
"Ocean water can be used in extreme cases to fight wildfires, but freshwater is preferred due to equipment corrosion, soil damage, and logistical challenges."
Sigh... come on man, duh. What was the point of that link?[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 01-12-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 12, 10:53 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
"Moreover, as she faces veritable mutiny at home -- her own fire chief went on TV to savage Bass for budget shortfalls on Friday -- it's a profoundly bad look for the mayor of the second biggest city in the United States to turn down an offer of assistance from the biggest city, which is what one guesses is the reason behind the denials."
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I think I would enjoy watching that... I need to look it up. I feel horrible for everyone who's affected (lost property and life), but I will very much take pleasure in these angry radical leftists destroying each other. It's not that I enjoy seeing people ruin their careers... but the left is always so confident in everything that they're so clearly wrong about. They prop each other up with false information to convince themselves that what they're doing is right, and are so incredibly myopic, yet oblivious to their own failures. Their arrogance is the worst kind... it comes from a person who's almost inherently insecure and knows they're a failure. This is why radical leftists cannot share social media sites... they cannot handle differing opinions because it challenges their "tote-the-line" mentality... and they cannot handle it. When everyone goes against them... they cannot admit fault, so they destroy each other. Again, I hate to take pleasure in it... but it's a satisfying conclusion to what's essentially been a constantly attack on the right out of pure hatred. Yeah, I could turn the other cheek... but I'm going to enjoy times like this, when Democrat "leaders" destroy each other.
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