JD Vance VP Pick (Page 2/9) cliffw JUL 16, 12:45 PM quote Originally posted by NewDustin: I agree, but more along the lines of Trump is already 1.5 years past the average age of death for a man in the US. Chances are good neither of the current candidates would be able to serve a full term. My Dad, 85 years young, is still kicking, HARD. Doing very well, making good decisions. My Grandmother lived to 106 years old. BingB JUL 16, 06:12 PM quote Originally posted by NewDustin: The bad: You get nothing in the way of new votes, and cover no new ground Vance has two "home states". One of them is Kentucky which has a Democrat Governor. But I am pretty sure Trump destroyed Biden in Kentucky last time. Not sure how they ended up with a Democrat governor. Trump loves Vance because he sees his mirror image. Vance will sell our all his morals to support Trump because he lusts for power. NewDustin JUL 16, 08:42 PM quote Originally posted by cliffw: My Dad, 85 years young, is still kicking, HARD. Doing very well, making good decisions. My Grandmother lived to 106 years old. And Jeanne Calment lived to 122. None of this changes when people are statistically likely to die or suffer incapacitating disease/injury. Patrick JUL 16, 08:55 PM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You cannot be charismatic if you're a moron. Donald J Trump has proven otherwise. olejoedad JUL 16, 09:25 PM quote Originally posted by Patrick: Donald J Trump has proven otherwise. You're not charismatic, but you're getting close to being considered moronic in your comments on this Forum. NewDustin JUL 16, 09:30 PM quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: "let's trash the oldies" approach that's going through the media. You kids these days and your media. I'm not trashing oldies, I'm concerned about a set of near-mental-incompetents wielding incredible amounts of power. "Can hold in their bowel movements", "don't drift off in the middle of sentences", and "don't get lost on the way to a podium" don't seem to me to be high mental barriers to entry, but I could be mistaken. quote In Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (yes, I just went there), you have something called Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Intelligence you're generally born with... you can make yourself a little bit smarter, but your brain capacity is gifted to you at birth. Wisdom is not something you're born with... it's something that's earned and cultivated ... if you will. Granted, not all old people have more wisdom than all young people, but they certainly had more wisdom than they themselves had when they were young. Charisma... well, that's a function of intelligence and wisdom. You cannot be charismatic if you're a moron. So that leaves Strength and Constitution. Well... physical strength isn't really that important. The First Lady isn't going to be asking the President to help her move furniture while she's redesigning the Oval Office, nor will the President be required to change an alternator or a starter on "The Beast." There are people for that. So that leaves Constitution... you either have it, or you don't. It declines if there's something wrong with you. Biden's Constitution is failing... Trump's is not. Being old does not affect Trump. And if the only thing we're thinking about with Presidents is whether or not they're going to get killed and who will take over for them... then our priorities are really screwed up, or we're buying into the narrative. 5e still has all of these, though I would question using DND as an example; I've yet to see more spell slots or a modifier increase from higher INT on any of the candidates. However, intelligence, from a neuroscience perspective, declines with age. Sure, older folks gain in wisdom (which requires experience), but they decline inevitably -and often dramatically and quickly- on fluid intelligence. quote I will unequivocally take an older person with a good head on their shoulders (that DOESN'T have dementia), over a young person that hasn't "thought through" all their life's accomplishments and failures yet... ANY DAY. Because that's wisdom. This is not mutually exclusive. Many people are not "young person(s)" but are not yet at the point of significant mental decay that both Biden and Trump (and lets be real, Ben Carson) are at. Someone in their 40s, 50s, or 60s could easily have enough WIS without having to take disadvantage on all saving throws tied to INT. Patrick JUL 16, 09:40 PM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: You're not charismatic... Call it what you may, but it takes no effort from me to conjure up a response from you. williegoat JUL 16, 09:42 PM quote Originally posted by Patrick: Call it what you may, but it takes no effort from me to conjure up a response from you. Isn't that the definition of trolling? Patrick JUL 16, 10:00 PM quote Originally posted by williegoat: Isn't that the definition of trolling? That would depend on my original intent. I was responding to Todd's post. I felt he had made an erroneous statement. I offered evidence of my claim, with nothing derogatory said about Todd. It also had nothing to do with Joe. Nevertheless, Joe felt compelled to respond. Not about Todd. Not about Trump. Just about me. So... who's being the troll? Maybe you should ask Joe why he's unable stop himself. NewDustin JUL 16, 10:34 PM quote Originally posted by Patrick: So... who's being the troll? Whatever Patrick ur dum