Blue-state meltdown (Page 2/11)
williegoat FEB 05, 12:21 PM
Every time I start thinking Phoenix has gotten too big for its britches, all I have to do is spend a few days in Shakey and when I get home, this place is beautiful again. You can tell, as soon as you cross the river, SoCal is one big slum, it has been that way for decades. For a kid who grew up in Florida, even the California beaches are a disappointment.
ray b FEB 05, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I don't know who you're responding to... but Democrat policies ARE soft on crime. Are you debating this? If so, I think it's your responsibility to try to prove to me that the increase in crime in Democrat cities has nothing to do with Democrat policies. Go for it...



depends on the crime

cheat on taxes the Gop makes you the FEARLESS LEADER

THE Gop SURE IS SOFT ON RUMP CRIMES
AND ON TREASON BY HIS MINIONS [1-6]

you know crimes we care about
against our nation

but not shoplifters
or other minor crimes the rumpers get their panties bunched up about

if you lot get the rump crimes stopped and the minions treason punished
maybe we can look at shoplifters
williegoat FEB 05, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I don't know who you're responding to... but Democrat policies ARE soft on crime. Are you debating this? If so, I think it's your responsibility to try to prove to me that the increase in crime in Democrat cities has nothing to do with Democrat policies. Go for it...


Yep, compare the guys who beat up the cop on NYC to the guys who toured the capitol on J6. Which ones are in prison?
BingB FEB 05, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I don't know who you're responding to... but Democrat policies ARE soft on crime. Are you debating this? If so, I think it's your responsibility to try to prove to me that the increase in crime in Democrat cities has nothing to do with Democrat policies. Go for it...




Crime is not just going up in cities controlled by Democrats.. Violent crime went up in rural areas last year, increasing from 11.1 to 15.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons aged 12 and older. Also in suburban areas, the rate jumped from 16.5 to 23.9. https://www.newsnationnow.c...%2012%20and%20older.


Crime has also been going up in major cities controlled by Republicans like Dallas, Fort Worth, Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, and Fresno.

The people who actually believed in "defunding the police" were crazy, but crime has gone up a lot in areas where the police were not "de-funded".
ray b FEB 05, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Yep, compare the guys who beat up the cop on NYC to the guys who toured the capitol on J6. Which ones are in prison?



locally cops shoot people quite regularly

the capital police did report a lot of injury
How many Police were assaulted on jan 6?
Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.

District of Columbia | 30 Months Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol
justice.gov
https://www.justice.gov › usao-dc › 30-months-jan-6-atta.
but only one person shot
blackrams FEB 05, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:



Crime is not just going up in cities controlled by Democrats.. Violent crime went up in rural areas last year, increasing from 11.1 to 15.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons aged 12 and older. Also in suburban areas, the rate jumped from 16.5 to 23.9. https://www.newsnationnow.c...%2012%20and %20older.


Crime has also been going up in major cities controlled by Republicans like Dallas, Fort Worth, Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, and Fresno.

The people who actually believed in "defunding the police" were crazy, but crime has gone up a lot in areas where the police were not "de-funded".



Crime has gone up overall in the nation but, it should be noted that crimes are more likely to be reported in Red States and rural areas. The numbers that interest me most is in homicides and car jackings and those numbers are definitely higher in the Blue Shaded or Dem led cities. In cities with high crime rates, many crimes never get reported. Yes, defunding was a pretty stupid idea and some Dems are starting to realize it.

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williegoat FEB 05, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

yak, yak, yak



Which ones are in prison?

Where would you be if Jimmy Carter were not elected?
williegoat FEB 05, 04:25 PM
A few months back I was riding my bicycle in downtown Glendale. There was a normal looking lady sitting on a fence but as I approached, she started screaming unintelligible gibberish. I tried not to look and started peddling faster. Sometimes this forum is like that.

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82-T/A [At Work] FEB 05, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:Crime is not just going up in cities controlled by Democrats.. Violent crime went up in rural areas last year, increasing from 11.1 to 15.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons aged 12 and older. Also in suburban areas, the rate jumped from 16.5 to 23.9. https://www.newsnationnow.c...%2012%20and %20older.

Crime has also been going up in major cities controlled by Republicans like Dallas, Fort Worth, Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, and Fresno.

The people who actually believed in "defunding the police" were crazy, but crime has gone up a lot in areas where the police were not "de-funded".



Your link talks about in general, but does not apply anything specifically to Republicans or Democrats.

Something interesting that I noticed... and partly why I wanted YOU to do the research. When you search for articles refencing crime as a comparison from Republican and Democrat states... the interesting thing is that all the articles seem to gloss over crime, and attempt to change the narrative that they're not all Democrat by focusing exclusively on gun violence. It's as if this is perhaps literally the only kind of crime that exists. In a way, it's actually acknowledging that crime in every other area is worse in Democrat states... but that wouldn't be obvious to anyone since none of these articles talk about it. But for things like car thefts, mail theft, robberies, break-ins, retail theft... these are all exceptionally higher in Democrat states, and when you search for these stats individually, you see this. Take for example, car thefts...



... Democrat states as a whole are much worse... especially California and New Mexico... just horrid. Also Alaska of course, but that's because a lot of criminals flee to Alaska (it's almost like, if you can't flee to Mexico after comitting a crime, you go to Alaska). But every other statistic... mail fraud, break-ins, etc.... significantly higher in Democrat-led states (and Alaska) than anywhere else.

Another thing that I discovered... almost all of these articles that immediately change the subject to gun violence, are all referencing the exact same survey. It's a survey that looks at gun violence from as far back as the year 2000 through 2020. Basically, it looks at the last 20 years in all of these states. Of course, you don't need me to tell you how things have changed in the past 20 years. 20 years ago, Florida was still a Democrat state, for the most part. We had just elected our third Republican governor in over 125 years. I'm sure you saw the TV Show Miami Vice... well, South Florida was very much like Miami Vice, with all the drugs and crime, so is it fair to compare... for the benefit of showing who's worse... Democrats or Republicans... the last 20 years of Florida? Or should we compare only the last 10 years?

And then I discovered another thing. The "gun violence" they talk about includes everything from suicides, to a person mishandling a gun, to a perpetrator being shot and killed for committing a crime. Like for example... someone breaking into a house, and getting shot. In my opinion, this should not count. I only consider a gun death part of a crime when it's the victim who's killed, and not the perpetrator. I also think an accidental shooting (a kid accidentally shooting himself), or a person committing suicide, as an unreasonable inclusion into "gun violence" statistics. Because when we talk about gun violence... we're all really talking about someone doing a car-jacking, a home invasion, or a commercial robbery with a deadly weapon.

Article that, like all the rest, includes a 20-year study, plus suicides, plus accidental death... all as "gun violence."
https://www.forbes.com/site...why/?sh=1b1ff2aa1f81


Side note, Jacksonville is a Democrat city. The mayor is a Democrat. It's ALMOST Republican... it's been trending Republican the last few years (it actually had a Republican mayor last term), but it's at that stage where it teeters back and forth. I expect there to be a Republican mayor next election, and it'll probably be Republican from here on out. Tampa is the same way. it's technically Democrat (has been almost forever), but it's slowly becoming Republican. The city commission for the first time in forever, now has more Republicans. It's only a matter of time before Republican is totally red. We now have 800k more registered Republicans than Democrats in the state of Florida.


... and then there is the topic no one wants to talk about. Illegal immigration.

"Almost half of all of the criminals prosecuted in federal courts in 2018 were aliens, charged with crimes ranging from drug trafficking to murder to kidnapping."

https://www.heritage.org/im...-and-costs-taxpayers


Pretty sure open borders is a Biden / Democrat policy. You don't have to like it, you don't have to even like the language I've used... you can even argue whether or not you even consider his policies open-borders. But "catch and release," is effectively... OPEN BORDERS.

So yes... Democrat policies have led to increased crime.
williegoat FEB 05, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

And then I discovered another thing. The "gun violence" they talk about includes everything from suicides, to a person mishandling a gun, to a perpetrator being shot and killed for committing a crime. Like for example... someone breaking into a house, and getting shot. In my opinion, this should not count. I only consider a gun death part of a crime when it's the victim who's killed, and not the perpetrator. I also think an accidental shooting (a kid accidentally shooting himself), or a person committing suicide, as an unreasonable inclusion into "gun violence" statistics. Because when we talk about gun violence... we're all really talking about someone doing a car-jacking, a home invasion, or a commercial robbery with a deadly weapon.



This has always been a "pet peeve" of mine, the gross distortion of gun statistics. In addition to the things that you listed are "school shootings". Any discharge of a gun withing a certain, large perimeter of any kind of school is included. A guy could shoot a rabid dog a mile from an A/C repair school, and we will be told that our children are in danger.

Also, Arizona and Texas have a high rate of auto theft as a direct result of border policy. If a car is stolen here, there is a very good chance that it will be in Mexico by the end of the day. It happened to me.