Let's talk about the media, and what journalism should be in a free society (Page 2/38)
Patrick JAN 30, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

You're talking about rinse, right?



Ha! Rinse knows better than to expect his posts to be praised here in P&R... although I don't know why he bothers to try and enlighten the usual suspects. They seem content in their belief that the earth is flat.


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Originally posted by Patrick:

You don't want a fair and rational discussion. You just want to hear comments backing up whatever it is you lead with.


Fats JAN 30, 05:10 AM
Another tactic these people use is changing the subject, for example, when they don't have a legitimate argument on anything "free", they simply attack anyone that posts a view that doesn't fit their narrative.

It's sad really.

I'm not a smart person and even I can see this every single time they do it.
olejoedad JAN 30, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
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They seem content in their belief that the earth is flat.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Patrick:

You don't want a fair and rational discussion. You just want to hear comments backing up whatever it is you lead with.


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That's rich coming from a guy that didn't realize there were beautiful mountains north of where he lives.

So you're still talking about rinse.

rinselberg JAN 30, 06:56 AM
I don't understand why olejoedad keeps saying "rinse."

What's this got to do with me?
olejoedad JAN 30, 07:03 AM
Is this what journalism should look like?

https://www.breitbart.com/c...c-during-biden-clip/
rinselberg JAN 30, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Is this what journalism should look like?

https://www.br...-biden-clip/


Absolutely not. Breitbart is a prominent example of what is often called a "rag," in the context of newspapers and news reporting. Breitbart is a "crock" that is reliably filled to its top with the worst sort of misleading offal and refuse. Joy Reid should sue Breitbart for defamation, simply for including her photograph in an edition of Breitbart.

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olejoedad JAN 30, 07:51 AM
So you didn't read the article or listen to the video clip, or read her apology.

You are a tool of the LWNJ media that shills for the "Progressive" Left Wing Nut Jobs.
rinselberg JAN 30, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

So you didn't read the article or listen to the video clip, or read her apology.

You are a tool of the LWNJ media that shills for the "Progressive" Left Wing Nut Jobs
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What makes you think that? Actually, I did. First, I read the article. Then, after you came back again, I perused the brief video clip.

It's a puzzling remark. Was she expressing the idea that if Biden "closed the border," that would be tantamount to "Biden starting a war"..? That's all I can make of it.

I don't think it was intentional. I see some of "The ReidOut with Joy Reid" during almost every weekday that passes, but I've not seen a "hot mic" moment with profanity like that before. Not that I remember.

Why do you think it's such a big deal? The ReidOut with Joy Reid slots into the last hour before weekday prime time. It's not like she's particularly the "face" of MSNBC, any more than Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow, Jen Psaki, Alex Wagner, Lawrence O'Donnell or Stephanie Ruhle. Or Ali Velshi, Ari Melber, Nicolle Wallace or Katie Phang, for that matter. Or even some others who are hosts on MSNBC, like former RNC chairman Michael Steele. I can't remember any of them ever having a "hot mic" moment with profanity, or even just a "hot mic" moment that left enough of an impression on me for me to remember it.

I think olejoedad is "whining."

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 30, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

More journalists being journalists.....oh, and they used to be Libs!

https://amac.us/newsline/so...democracy-be-damned/




I remember when Taibbi started releasing this information on Twitter as part of the agreement with Elon Musk. He was immediately crucified by Democrats. Not just by Democrat zealots, and never-Trumper Republicans, but by people in the main stream media ... all for doing the right thing. They wanted him cancelled for revealing what any decent journalist would consider the story of a life time. It exemplifies how for many... their political ideology is not simply a concept of (in their opinion) better governance, but of religion idolatry. They protect the party at all costs... even though "the party" isn't their employer, their family, or anything they have sworn allegiance to. Understandably, this is why we refer to their politics as a religion... because in all sense of the word, this is what it is. The Democrat party is their "higher being," and defines their version of the golden rule. It's completely crazy...

You look at people like Taibbi... he is 100% a Democrat. Hates Trump, absolutely believes "to promote the general welfare" is a clause for instituting more welfare policies in America. But he's principled, and finds what Democrats have done completely abhorrent. This is the kind of person you'd want working for you, or watching your back on the battle field. This is what true character looks like. Someone who's willing, on principle, to do what's right.



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Originally posted by Fats:Another tactic these people use is changing the subject, for example, when they don't have a legitimate argument on anything "free", they simply attack anyone that posts a view that doesn't fit their narrative.

It's sad really. I'm not a smart person and even I can see this every single time they do it.




Haha... yes, unfortunately... it's very true. It's primarily Patrick that does this, but I've basically started ignoring everything he says in the politics forum. In this sub forum, you can't find a single post he's quite frankly ever made that actually furthers the discussion. He LOVES... I mean LOVES the back and forth. I don't even know if he's aware that he's doing it, but after a while, I realized every response of his was without content. Instead, the context is always some response about how he's shocked or whatever it is about whomever is posting. Basically... attack the poster, ignore the topic. Outside of here, Patrick gets a bit grouchy (as we all do when we get older)... yelling at the clouds because people don't say what year & engine they have. But he's genuinely a good guy and wouldn't hesitate to give you the shirt off his back if you needed it... it's clear though that his political ideology for him is religion (see response above to Joe). This is just me pushing my religion here, but I hope one day he finds peace in Jesus Christ.

Say what you will about Rinselberg, but I respect the man. He keeps his cool, always willing to have a discussion, and doesn't do the Macarena every time he sees something he doesn't like. I'd hope that everyone here can keep their cool with him and not let their frustration with everyone else get directed at him simply because he's on the "same side" as some of the others on here.

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BingB JAN 30, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
There's a term for this in psychology, but for the life of me, I forget what it's called. Basically... someone says they're doing something for a specific reason, but in reality, it's for a completely different reason. It's not a lie... because they actually try to convince you why they're doing it, and to an extent... actually convince themselves of it as well. In this case, I'm referring to Rachael Maddow not showing Trump's victory speech... which any reasonable media presence would show.

This is NOT unlike the situation that's been going on with Twitter/X over the past year. Democrats are absolutely incensed that Elon Musk bought Twitter, and that he is allowing Republican content, unfiltered, and unregulated. They'll give you nonsense arguments like wanting to stop "hate speech" or "misinformation." But we know that in reality, they fear the open exchange of Conservative view points because they're afraid it will lead to people changing their minds. They're afraid their ideas will lose. Of course, they'll deny up and down that this isn't what it's about, but any reasonably sane person can tell that in fact... that's exactly what it's about.

And they're not wrong... Democrat registrations are the lowest they've ever been in modern history. Fewer percentage of people today identify as being Democrat than at any point in history... only 27% of those registered to vote call themselves Democrats. So the big question is why? Why can't Democrats be honest with themselves? It's because their politics in fact become a religion to them. Rejection of their politics becomes a rejection of them personally...

This is completely different than people like you and me who could give two shits what the party is called...




I think one of the biggest problems we have today are the people who believe themselves to be omniscient and have godlike powers to read the minds of other people.

They completely ignore what people actually say and do because they "know" through their magic powers what these other people are actually thinking.

it is pretty much impossible to have any type of logical discussion with a person like that because they do not even listen to what you actually say. they never feel like they have to produce any facts to back up their claims because "EVERYONE KNOWS". It is a logical fallacy made popular by Donald called "argumentum ad populum" or the "common belief fallacy". They just claim "everyone knows" without ever showing any proof that "everyone knows" the truth.