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BingB JAN 26, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


Both my parents are technically immigrants, though my mom was nationalized. They did it the right way... legally.


How can both your parents be immigrants when you claimed your family fought in the Civil War?
BingB JAN 26, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


In the past, we've always ensured that the people we allowed into the country had something to offer, and not simply just taking a hand-out.




This is not true. We have always allowed political asylum as far as I know. Other than that the only requirements on white Europeans was that they were not criminals or diseased.

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theBDub JAN 26, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The open discussions happen live on CSPAN. These are then analyzed by talking heads in various forms. I think I literally saw an analysis of it from MarketWatch Streaming on Roku while I was working. There's several proposals that are being pushed by numerous members (clearly being pushed by corporations) to increase work visas and H1Bs in particular... so this is the current push.



I'm relying more on text news nowadays with how busy work has been, but I don't see anything about this. Work visas and increasing H1Bs are not bad proposals at all either way.

It's hard to argue with these facts:

1. Republican leadership and many other Republicans have stated this is one of the best packages they've seen and better than what they'd be able to get on their own
2. Trump is asking Republicans to not go for it

Seems like it's all just politics to me. I'm pretty extreme with my immigration beliefs and generally don't support a package that makes it harder to claim asylum, so this isn't even coming from a place of support per se, I just find it ridiculous that Republicans are blaming Democrats for inaction when there is a bipartisan deal on the table to attempt to solve the exact issue.
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 26, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

How can both your parents be immigrants when you claimed your family fought in the Civil War?



Grandfather was an American who worked for the CIA and married an Argentine woman (my grandmother) while embedded overseas. Mom was born. When she was 14 years old, they fled turmoil in the region with others before the Peronista regime took control, and she moved to the United States for the first time and was naturalized. My dad was born in the Netherlands, won an immigration lottery, and moved to the United States in 1963 with a green card and eventually became a citizen.



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Originally posted by BingB:

This is not true. We have always allowed political asylum as far as I know. Other than that the only requirements on white Europeans was that they were not criminals or diseased.




Political asylum is not the same thing as economic asylum. Not sure how you misunderstood what I said. I said it's OK if we allow people in for political asylum (people fleeing a socialist dictatorship). It's NOT okay that people "seek asylum" because they want better economic opportunity. THAT is what the immigration process is for.

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blackrams JAN 26, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:

Seems like it's all just politics to me. I'm pretty extreme with my immigration beliefs and generally don't support a package that makes it harder to claim asylum, so this isn't even coming from a place of support per se, I just find it ridiculous that Republicans are blaming Democrats for inaction when there is a bipartisan deal on the table to attempt to solve the exact issue.



Again, my opinion but, this comes down to perspective(s).

While I won't suggest the immigration policies don't need revising, Congress should be the group that does it and not a President who is simply looking to bring in future votes for the party that got them in.
The border should IMHO be locked down (it should have never been opened up) and all the folks that have attempted to immigrate using the system and are waiting should get consideration first, well before any border crosser. The current system may need some changes but, Biden has bastardized it so badly that most of the nation "legal" citizens are up in arms about it. As stated previously, 25 governors have taken the side of Abbott and Texas. Many others may follow suit as their "sanctuary." cities overflow and those who used to get help or relief are forced to the sideline while our new immigrants take their place for resources. The last polling I saw indicated that over 70% of those polled considered the southern open border their greatest concern.

Biden should consider how this all could turn out before he sees a real insurrection. This issue could blow up in his face. This, I sincerely believe.
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BingB JAN 26, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


Political asylum is not the same thing as economic asylum. Not sure how you misunderstood what I said.





I don't think the law allows for "economic" or "humanitarian" asylum does it?

I can't really keep track of all the Executive orders that Trump and Biden has issued, but I think anyone seeking asylum still has to meet the qualifications of "refugee" or victim of political asylum.

Aren't you a lawyer? What does the law say?
rinselberg JAN 26, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Again, my opinion but, this comes down to perspective(s).

While I won't suggest the immigration policies don't need revising, Congress should be the group that does it...


From blackram's lips to the Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson's ears. Or keyboard to eyes.

It seems that the Republicans in the House (and some in the Senate) won't take "Yes" for an answer.

I saw earlier today on TV a veritable parade of well known Republican Senators saying (in so many words) that their compatriots in the House and Senate should sign on to what is being negotiated.

These are negotiations in which Republican Senator James Lankford has had a prominent role.
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 26, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:I don't think the law allows for "economic" or "humanitarian" asylum does it?

I can't really keep track of all the Executive orders that Trump and Biden has issued, but I think anyone seeking asylum still has to meet the qualifications of "refugee" or victim of political asylum.

Aren't you a lawyer? What does the law say?




I am NOT a lawyer, Fred. I have a law degree, yes... but it's one of many degrees I decided to get because I was bored.

Anyone with access to Westlaw (or the internet for that matter) should be able to look up one of the more recent cases, and / or the code of federal regulations. The law is clear about what constitutes asylum, but the Biden administration has continued to flaunt what that is. You can see the most recent definition in the CFR here:

https://www.federalregister...n-of-lawful-pathways


There was a court ruling by the Ninth Circuit of Appeals in East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, which states:

"...individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption."

They are seeking what the Democrats refer to as "economic" asylum, which is not actually a thing. The Biden administration wants them in because the intent is to eventually grant them amnesty through future legislative means. Democrats believe they will likely universally vote Democrat when that happens, and it will secure power for decades to come.
BingB JAN 26, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


While I won't suggest the immigration policies don't need revising, Congress should be the group that does it and not a President who is simply looking to bring in future votes for the party that got them in.




I agree 100%

But you do realize that illegal immigrants can't vote for President, right?
BingB JAN 26, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


They are seeking what the Democrats refer to as "economic" asylum, which is not actually a thing..


And that is a great example of why Congress needs to act.

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Democrats believe they will likely universally vote Democrat when that happens, and it will secure power for decades to come.


I don't think so. Hispanic/latino do not universally vote Democrat now, and they still make up less than 20% of the US population. So there is no way for the Dems to ride hispanic/latino vote to victory unless they also keep white people happy.