How "American Dream" has killed the middle class (Page 2/15) Doug85GT SEP 21, 11:18 AM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: Actually that is one of their most important jobs. See anti-trust laws, minimum wages, restrictions on child labor, laws against usury, OSHA regulations to protect workers, and on and on and on. The government is needed to protect the small individual from the power of money. Show me where in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution that it says that. I won't hold my breath. What do you think of all the laws that leftists say target the poor? By your definition that means it is the governments job to protect the people from the poor. ray b SEP 21, 11:43 AM quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Show me where in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution that it says that. I won't hold my breath. What do you think of all the laws that leftists say target the poor? By your definition that means it is the governments job to protect the people from the poor. it is covered here '' Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. '' no where is the right of the 1% to ever increasing wealth listed in the laws just in the Gop gospel dogma fredtoast SEP 21, 12:06 PM quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Show me where in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution that it says that. I won't hold my breath. . Not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Are you claiming that those laws do not exist or are not Constitutional? The existence of these laws prove my point. They are justified to "insure domestic tranquility" and "promote the general welfare". Doug85GT SEP 21, 12:53 PM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: Not sure I understand what you are trying to say. Are you claiming that those laws do not exist or are not Constitutional? The existence of these laws prove my point. They are justified to "insure domestic tranquility" and "promote the general welfare". If those were the only laws that ever existed, that would support your argument. They are not so their existence does not prove anything. Otherwise I can point to all of the laws concerning vehicles and the operation of vehicles and say the purpose of the government is to regulate cars. There are a lot more vehicle codes than any law you have cited. Doug85GT SEP 21, 12:56 PM quote Originally posted by ray b: it is covered here '' Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. '' no where is the right of the 1% to ever increasing wealth listed in the laws just in the Gop gospel dogma That is an argument from absence. That is the exact opposite of showing where those document support the op's assertion. ray b SEP 21, 12:58 PM bet he missed the ''That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,'' part as to me that looks like the dogma of the Gop keep the slave/workers super poor and end the middle class all hail/hiel the 1% overmen all laws for the 1% by the1% never have any real tax the 1% can't dodge Doug85GT SEP 21, 01:25 PM quote Originally posted by ray b: bet he missed the ''That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,'' part as to me that looks like the dogma of the Gop keep the slave/workers super poor and end the middle class all hail/hiel the 1% overmen all laws for the 1% by the1% never have any real tax the 1% can't dodge Non sequitur ray b SEP 21, 01:38 PM a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. but that never stops the Gop there is no logic to fake news and alt-facts in fact that their brand along with the rump's trademark LYING like their claim of leftwing nazi's logical fallacy is the dogma of the right fredtoast SEP 21, 01:46 PM quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: If those were the only laws that ever existed, that would support your argument. They are not so their existence does not prove anything. Otherwise I can point to all of the laws concerning vehicles and the operation of vehicles and say the purpose of the government is to regulate cars. There are a lot more vehicle codes than any law you have cited. Stop wasting my time squealing about semantics. It IS the governments job to regulate cars. And the proof is the laws they have passed in this area. It is also the governments job to protect the disadvantaged from exploitation by the power of wealth and money. And the proof is all the laws they have passed in this area. Doug85GT SEP 21, 04:04 PM quote Originally posted by fredtoast: Stop wasting my time squealing about semantics. It IS the governments job to regulate cars. And the proof is the laws they have passed in this area. It is also the governments job to protect the disadvantaged from exploitation by the power of wealth and money. And the proof is all the laws they have passed in this area. I had to laugh when I realized how you are defining what the government's "job" is. Whatever law exists makes it the government's "job". "Job" has nothing to do with purpose as you use it. That makes the phrase meaningless as it is the government's job to enforce all laws including those that are anti-poor and anti-middle class.