9/11 - 22 Years Later... (Page 2/4)
fredtoast SEP 11, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Still beyond me why Islam itself hasn't been declared a terrorist organization.




Same reason Christianity was not declared a terrorist organization when their radicals shot abortion providers and bombed their facilities.

There are thousands of Muslims serving in the US military protecting our freedoms.

There are thousands of Muslims working as police officers, firemen, and first responders saving our lives everyday.

There are thousands of Muslims running non-profit charities to help the underprivileged.

The extremists are the problem, not the religion. In fact when I was growing up the most terrorist activity in the world was Christians blowing each other up in Northern Ireland. That never made me believe that Christians were all terrorists.
Wichita SEP 11, 11:56 PM
fredtoast SEP 12, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:





In honor of Wichi I am going to stop using the term "drama queen" and instead say "drama king".

His victim mentality is off the charts.
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 12, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:
In honor of Wichi I am going to stop using the term "drama queen" and instead say "drama king".

His victim mentality is off the charts.




He's not wrong.


It took less than 2.5 years to build the original twin towers under a pro-Capitalist economy in New York City.
It took more than 11 years to build the new World Trade Center tower under a Socialist-esq economy in New York City.


People wonder why our infrastructure is crumbling, and why nothing is getting done. It all goes to the root of the problem, which is a fundamental lack of understanding of how human nature works. Democrats believe success is measured by how many people you can get on welfare. Republicans believe success is measured by how many people you can take off of it. Realistically, we want safety nets for people who REALLY cannot help themselves... but that's it. This kind of mentality though is what pervades Democrats into creating an atmosphere where everything is NO. The building of the new World Trade Center wasn't one of... let's make something great. It was more on all the reasons why we cannot and should not. It took less than a year for the clean-up of ground zero... something like just shy of 9 months. To ensure preservation of any bones, remains, etc. So it took essentially 5 times longer, with modern technology, to build a single tower... all because of bureaucracy and a growing-socialist mindset in NYC. I don't even blame the mayors... it all came down to the commissioners, various trade unions, and no one being willing to make decisions or enforce deadlines. It's typical of the state this country is in.

We passed an Infrastructure Bill... 1.2 Trillion Dollars... and it will likely be as effective as a $200 billion infrastructure bill due to the massive inflation we had which directly affected supply chain and construction materials costs, and massive bureaucracy which defeats every project before it even starts. We are so incredibly on the wrong track in this country... it's absolutely ridiculous. It's not the purpose of the Federal government to get involved in culture wars... but we do... and we focus 99% of our efforts on this stupid **** , every single day, which pits everyone against each other while the country crumbles and and the real foreign powers behind all of this celebrate.

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rinselberg SEP 12, 10:39 AM
There could be more that needs to be considered in a fully rational analysis, beyond just these figures of less than 2.5 years to build the original World Trade Center towers, vs more than 11 years to build the new World Trade Center tower.

That came across as something that could be as one-dimensional as a construction world equivalent of Iron Chef... "Iron Architect."

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ray b SEP 12, 12:07 PM
how many died build the empire state building

Five (5) workers died in slip-and-fall or struck-by accidents over the 13 months of construction (1929-1930).
With 3400 workers total, that's a rate of 1.47 deaths per thousand.

The official record states that there were five deaths among the workers; however, some newspapers claim there were more, as many as 14 to 27

how many died build the new world trade towers 60

During the construction of the original World Trade Center in New York City, which consisted of both the North and South Towers, a total of 60 people lost their lives in construction-related accidents. These fatalities occurred during the construction phase, which took place from 1966 to 1973.

note 8 years 66 to 73

new build has killed only 2
Two workers sustained fatal injuries in the course of their work at the site. One of the workers was crushed by an aerial lift, after which a Long Island firm was fined $10,000 and forked over a measly $5,000 settlement. The other worker plummeted 21 stories at 7 World Trade Center, where OSHA discovered an unsecured floor hole cover at the drop location. Shockingly, the injury rate for three years running (2010, 2011 and 2012) at 1 World Trade Center alone exceeded both the national construction injury rate for specialty trade workers as well as the New York rate.

so 60 vs 2 some progress there
but our con's want fast building to kill more

wonder the death and injury rate on rump's towers ?
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 13, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:

how many died build the empire state building

Five (5) workers died in slip-and-fall or struck-by accidents over the 13 months of construction (1929-1930).
With 3400 workers total, that's a rate of 1.47 deaths per thousand.

The official record states that there were five deaths among the workers; however, some newspapers claim there were more, as many as 14 to 27

how many died build the new world trade towers 60

During the construction of the original World Trade Center in New York City, which consisted of both the North and South Towers, a total of 60 people lost their lives in construction-related accidents. These fatalities occurred during the construction phase, which took place from 1966 to 1973.

note 8 years 66 to 73

new build has killed only 2
Two workers sustained fatal injuries in the course of their work at the site. One of the workers was crushed by an aerial lift, after which a Long Island firm was fined $10,000 and forked over a measly $5,000 settlement. The other worker plummeted 21 stories at 7 World Trade Center, where OSHA discovered an unsecured floor hole cover at the drop location. Shockingly, the injury rate for three years running (2010, 2011 and 2012) at 1 World Trade Center alone exceeded both the national construction injury rate for specialty trade workers as well as the New York rate.

so 60 vs 2 some progress there
but our con's want fast building to kill more

wonder the death and injury rate on rump's towers ?


Sorry Ray, you're misrepresenting information here. It did not take 8 years to build the original world trade center.

Tower 1 WTC: Started - August 6, 1968
Tower 1 WTC: Topped-Out - December 23, 1970 (meaning building / exterior / structure was totally finished)
Tower 1 WTC: Completed - 1972 (meaning that building out the office spaces was complete and full CO was granted)


You're including all the years for slowly demolishing the existing buildings, waiting for tenants to move, lawsuits, and everything else. It took 1 year to prepare the ground for WTC... which is the exact amount of time it took to prepare the ground for the New WTC. From core to core... it took 4 times as long to build the new World Trade Center. And yes, it's great that fewer people died... we can chalk that up to better safety protocols... but that had nothing to do with the delays. The delays were because of bureaucracy, design disagreements, budget overruns, union disputes, and political priority "gerrymandering," to mis-use a word... but it's the best example I can give.

That you're taking offense to this means that you think it's Democrats. The point I'm trying to make, regardless who's at fault for this... is that we've failed as a nation to create an environment of growth and prosperity. We essentially are out building other nations. Qatar, U.A.E., Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc... these countries are friggin' LOADED. Their cities look like palatial cities of the future. You look at China's major cities... or even Seoul... and those cities look like future cities. Meanwhile... New York city looks (and smells) like a **** hole.

I'm all for protecting vintage buildings, so don't misunderstand my point here. But WE... the UNITED STATES... basically built all of those countries. All of the money that was used to build those cities... more than 60% of it came from the pockets of United States citizens.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND what I'm getting at?


WHO do you think is at fault? BOTH ****ing parties are. The ONLY one who's tried to stop this, was Trump... but I know you can't stand him, so we'll put that aside. The political people you love and trust... they're the ones directly responsible for creating the economic depression in the United States.

The only city right now that's undergoing massive growth is Miami. This video below shows 9 new skyscrapers... almost all of which have already broken ground (video is from 2019). There are dozens of others that have since been given approval... and Miami is doing a fantastic job of trying to save key areas (like Motel Row with the Sinbad Motel, etc...), South Beach, Calle Ocho, Little Havana, Espanola Way, etc... while still growing the city and making it both innovative and modern.




All I'm saying is... you seem to be coming up with excuses for why malignant stagnation in most of America's cities is acceptable, or perhaps even a good thing. You live in essentially one of the most prosperous cities in the United States, while the majority of many other cities are crumbling. The number of newer buildings going up in Chicago and NYC are totally not proportional to Miami compared to population size.

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rinselberg SEP 14, 06:43 AM


Just over a month ago, MSNBC anchor Mehdi Hasan and Nobel Laureate (Economics) Paul Krugman knew that 82-T/A was going to post what he just posted (message immediately before this one) and together, they explained how everything that they knew that 82-T/A was going to say would be wrong.
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 14, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Just over a month ago, MSNBC anchor Mehdi Hasan and Nobel Laureate (Economics) Paul Krugman knew that 82-T/A was going to post what he just posted (message immediately before this one) and together, they explained how everything that they knew that 82-T/A was going to say would be wrong.




Do I need to watch this? I don't want to sit through 12 minutes of nonsense.


Here's what I know. Since Biden took office, the price of goods have gone up SUBSTANTIALLY.

To be completely honest... I don't know how most people are even able to survive. I make a LOT of money, and my expenses have literally gone through the roof from groceries, energy costs, gasoline, to literally everything I buy. The most basic things that an individual would buy, that costs the same for me as it does for someone who only makes the median U.S. income. I seriously question how someone at that income level even manages to survive at this point? Like... 3 years ago, I made exactly HALF of what I do now... and it was easier to survive back then under the Trump administration and the fantastic economy that we had, than it is right now.

Household debt and especially... Credit Card debt has skyrocketed. Seriously, Rinse... look at this chart:




This chart is from August of 2023 (shows only Q2 of 2023). This is from CNN... look at when credit card debt started to go up... it started immediately within the first 6 months of President Biden taking office. Literally by March of 2021, people began accruing credit card debt, which was following a dramatic increase in gas prices due to all the bullshit/nonsense stuff that Biden did. Let's look at this chart from AAA:




It may take a minute to understand what you're looking at, but I'll make it really simple...

When Biden took office, gas prices were a little above $2 a gallon... which Trump had previously maintained for more than 3 years with it even dipping to $1.65 at one point. But at the end of Biden's first year, gas prices had risen to over $3.25 a gallon. At one point they got to $5.00 a gallon average last year, and are currently at almost $4.00 a gallon and rising. This isn't JUST what we pay for gas to get to work, but it increases the cost of every product we buy.


Here, read the CNN article about record never seen before Credit Card debt: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08...card-debt/index.html


I'm not trying to be mean, but seriously... I want to understand how you can sit there and tell me that what Biden has been doing for the past 3 years has been a good thing?
rinselberg SEP 14, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
When Biden took office, gas prices were a little above $2 a gallon... which Trump had previously maintained for more than 3 years with it even dipping to $1.65 at one point.


That's the one thing that jumped out at me, about gasoline going down to $1.65 at one point during Trump's term in office.

Diminished demand for gasoline because of the national and international lockdowns and shutdowns that were brought on when WHO declared the Covid pandemic at the beginning of 2020..?

I'm not wanting to discuss "Bidenomics" at any more length this morning. It's not a convenient time. I'm sure you're not entirely wrong about it.