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MAR 25, 04:22 PM
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| quote | | The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie). |
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Where does this come from? It strikes me as nonsense—or disinformation—given the various scientific research reports that I've documented on the possible zoonotic origin(s) of Covid-19.
I haven't looked specifically for scientific research reports that focus on "lab leak" theories. Has anyone else? There are limits to that, because of China's resistance to international scrutiny of the Chinese virology research labs. It's only been a few days since President Biden signed a bill that directs the federal government to declassify as much intelligence as possible about the origins of COVID-19.
"Biden signs bill on COVID origins declassification"
AP News; March 20, 2023.
https://apnews.com/article/...fcb4b5dba4319048ffbe[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-15-2023).]
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MAR 27, 04:30 PM
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| quote | | The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie). |
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Where does this come from? It strikes me as nonsense—or disinformation—given the various scientific research reports that I've documented on the possible zoonotic origin(s) of Covid-19.
New evidence
New genetic evidence from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, where COVID-19 cases first emerged in late 2019, supports the theory that the virus originated from animals. . . .
Florence Débarre, an evolutionary biologist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, discovered genetic sequences of the virus uploaded by Chinese researchers to a public genomic database called GISAID. . . .
The samples contained viral RNA from the market in early 2020 and also contained genetic material from raccoon dogs and other animals.Click to show
Raccoon dogs
The presence of genetic material from raccoon dogs, a foxlike type of canid, in the same areas of the market where SARS-CoV-2 was found suggests that these animals may have been infected with the virus (possibly by other animals) and could have been the first to spread the virus to humans.
While this new evidence does not directly prove that SARS-CoV-2 jumped into humans from infected raccoon dogs, it adds to a growing body of evidence supporting a spillover from animals.Click to show
UC scientist leans towards a purely zoonotic origin, over the idea that any of China's virology research labs played a role
In an interview with Scientific American, Joel Wertheim, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California, San Diego, explained that the new discovery is consistent with a natural zoonotic spillover, an animal disease jumping into humans.
Wertheim acknowledged that the genetic material’s co-occurrence does not directly indicate infection in raccoon dogs or other mammals, but it does provide forensic evidence that these potential host animals were present at the market.
The new evidence also raises questions about lab-leak hypotheses, which Wertheim believes are mutually incompatible with each other.
No suspicious signs of lab manipulation were found in the viral genome.
Wertheim argued that the most charitable explanation for the lab-leak theory is unlikely, given the lack of evidence and the difficulty in tracing the virus back to any lab workers. . . .Click to show
What's next, for the researchers?
The international team of scientists continues to investigate the new genetic evidence, hoping to glean more information from the market samples.
They are particularly interested in sequences from stalls without SARS-CoV-2 and any additional genetic data from the market that has not yet been made available.Click to show
That's most of the report. Here's the complete report:
https://culture.org/new-genetic-evidence-suggests-animal-origin-for-covid-19/Click to show[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-27-2023).]
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MAR 29, 01:39 PM
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MAR 30, 12:29 PM
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| quote | | The leftists are protecting themselves from this disaster, as they had everything to do with it. They refuse to investigate the origins (to this day there is no scientific studies on pre-print or peer review studies), yet the leftist narrative is still trying to say it is a wet market natural zoonotic virus (which everyone knows is a lie). |
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This unsupported assertion doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of surviving an encounter with reality. The conveniently vague finger-pointing of it, against "the leftists", only scratches the surface of just how farcical this knee-jerk "riff" really is.
Here's a very recent article—it's among the best I've seen on this topic—that pulverizes this silly screed like the dinosaur-killer asteroid that pulverized a large swathe of the earth's crust some 66 million years ago. Put on your sunglasses, because the sparks from this screed-destroying impact are so bright as to pose a hazard to your eyes. Buckle yourself in before you "click the link." It's going to be wild.
"The Latest Lab Leak Controversy Doesn’t Mean What Conservatives Think It Does"
| quote | | Two government agencies have now concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic originated in an accidental leak from a lab. But paradoxically, they also point to a natural origin. |
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Melody Schreiber for The New Republic; March 8, 2023.
https://newrepublic.com/art...vid-gain-of-function
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MAR 31, 09:11 AM
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| quote | | Part of the issue around the Gain Of Function debate is that the phrase is hard to define. Anytime a scientist works with a virus and something changes, that’s technically a "gain of function." But often researchers aren’t adding a new function on purpose—those changes happen as they’re studying other processes. And it certainly doesn’t mean the change presents a danger to people. Gain Of Function writ large is critical for understanding the threats posed by pathogens—disease transmission, future pandemic threats, medical preparedness, and more. “Outlawing so-called Gain Of Function research could be a disaster and make everyone on the planet less safe,” Garry said. |
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"The Latest Lab Leak Controversy Doesn’t Mean What Conservatives Think It Does"
| quote | | Two government agencies have now concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic originated in an accidental leak from a lab. But paradoxically, they also point to a natural origin. |
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Melody Schreiber for The New Republic; March 8, 2023.
https://newrepublic.com/art...vid-gain-of-function
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MAR 31, 09:52 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
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Two government agencies have now concluded that the Covid-19 pandemic originated in an accidental leak from a lab. But paradoxically, they also point to a natural origin.
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Oh course. Naturally, it leaked from a lab.
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APR 02, 10:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Of course. Naturally, it leaked from a lab. |
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Too funny.
It could have happened like this:
1. Virus evolved naturally in an animal species (bats? raccoon dogs?) and acquired the ability to infect humans. Zoonotic origin of the Covid-19 pathogen.
2. Chinese researchers collected blood or other fluid or tissue samples from an infected animal(s) to study the viruses in the Wuhan virus research lab.
3. The Covid-19 virus escaped from the lab and began to circulate in Wuhan. Faulty equipment? Inattention to protocols? Person(s) at lab became infected and were not aware of it?
This scenario starts with the natural or zoonotic emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus or Covid-19 pathogen, and gets a "boost" from a laboratory mishap... a "lab leak".
But it does not involve any Gain Of Function research or any of the other premeditated "shenanigans" of the kind that Dr Fauci or the Chinese have been accused of in the various narratives.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-02-2023).]
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APR 02, 02:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Too funny.
It could have happened like this:
1. Virus evolved naturally in an animal species (bats? raccoon dogs?) and acquired the ability to infect humans. Zoonotic origin of the Covid-19 pathogen.
2. Chinese researchers collected blood or other fluid or tissue samples from an infected animal(s) to study the viruses in the Wuhan virus research lab.
3. The Covid-19 virus escaped from the lab and began to circulate in Wuhan. Faulty equipment? Inattention to protocols? Person(s) at lab became infected and were not aware of it?
This scenario starts with the natural or zoonotic emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus or Covid-19 pathogen, and gets a "boost" from a laboratory mishap... a "lab leak".
But it does not involve any Gain Of Function research or any of the other premeditated "shenanigans" of the kind that Dr Fauci or the Chinese have been accused of in the various narratives.
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Well the Kook on the car forum said so, guess it must be true.
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APR 02, 02:06 PM
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What do you know about it?
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